I agree with scoop/betting limits to balance out the gameplay. The current system was implemented before people had tons of excess flezz to gamble with so I think it deserves a revision.

Good post Wetsock Log in to see images!

Scully, name one newbie who has the knowledge or Flezz™ to run gamblebot for hours and compete against vanilla runs, coordinated attacks, and gamblebot players.

WetSocket Posted:

Scully, name one newbie who has the knowledge or Flezz™ to run gamblebot for hours and compete against vanilla runs, coordinated attacks, and gamblebot players.

I missed the part where she mentioned newbz.

i think he meant it. i think he was pointing out that she wasn’t talking about newbs.

Marcos El Malo Posted:

Yeah. Good one. Ha. I think you owe me an apology.

EDIT: That’s two strawmen and one ad hominem. What else ya got?

Please discuss the topic at hand, if you have a problem with what I said take it to TM, as it stands your discussion has not mentioned AF scoops at all. I’m all for the trolling and RP trolling, but if you read the title this is a very serious discussion. It says it twice see, seriously.

Marcos El Malo Posted:

Look, ****. I’m reading this thread to learn. I see you either MISTAKENLY attack a dissenting opinion or do it on purpose due to intellectual dishonesty. I bumume the former, and kindly point it out SO YOU CAN DISCUSS THE FRIGGING TOPIC WITHOUT GETTING LOST IN A MISUNDERSTANDING.

You’re the one turning this into a RP exercise, not me. If you want to get back to the discussion instead of being a ****ing baby, go ahead. Nothing would make me happier. I’m reading this thread to LEARN.

Carry on.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, thought you were trolling me. Seriously.

WetSocket Posted:

Sorry for the misunderstanding, thought you were trolling me. Seriously.

I wasn’t. I’m sorry I called you a ****. Log in to see images!

Maybe I’m getting cranky and should go to bed.

Honestly I don’t take domination too seriously so I don’t really feel personally invested in the problem or any potential solutions but I do think it’s relatively obvious that the AF and Klan Vanilla systems basically lock anyone not in a competitive clan out of the domination hunt.

Antifreeze has been an issue for a while and eventually it will probably receive a nerfing of some sort. Maybe that will be a hard cap in the number of AF scoops you can gain in a week or changing the payout from one AF every 2 successful 1000 bets to once every 5 or even 10 successful bets.

That would encourage people to gamble within their means rather than continually risk their entire pot of   on a desperate attempt to scratch out another AF scoop.

I think the vanilla raid system still needs quite a bit of work but that is a discussion for another day.

scullyangel Posted:

It’s off topic here, but I have to say, I think people are seriously overestimating the power of klan vanilla outside of the low medal pods at this point.

Large scale vanilla based klans are going to break down over time. Too many people from the same klan make medal sharing a nightmare. If you watch the pods, certain people are definitely benefiting more than others. It’s not going to take a huge amount of time for the players who are constantly contributing, but somehow missing out on the reward, to decide that it’s not worth it.

I would have to concur with this point as it definitely seems that the rewards are not necessarily being shared evenly across all of the raiders in a klan. Further it seems that despite the temptation to backstab it’s more profitable to arrange multi-person scoop ties among multiple klan members.

One possible solution (albiet quite nasty) would be to eliminate all scoop ties entirely. Without ties (or even if you reduced ties from 5-way to 3-way or even 2-way) the game becomes far more cutthroat and the temptation to screw over competitors in your own clan is dramatically increased.

It really becomes about a single player being able to dominate all competition rather than a cooperative team sport.

I’m of the opinion that AF scoops are far too plentiful. It’s true, you do need luck, you do need time, but they are still much easier to exploit than any other type. I don’t think a major nerf is in order, but just something to stem the tide of gambler-dominated pods. Without klans trying damn hard to tie every week, I guarantee that a heavy gambler would be at the front of all major pods.

I don’t think increasing the number of winning bets needed to get a scoop is the answer. It increases AF’s favor of people with too much time on their hands, while everyone else doesn’t have a game that’s really worth it.

With the current rules on GambleBot, I’m confident the house edge is under 1%, and somewhat confident it’s between 0.6% and 0.8%. Basically, you can keep going a LONG time if you have a big enough bank, at least enough for a few hundred scoops.

So, how do you fix it? There are a couple things you can do.

One: Increase the house edge.

-Add decks. It’s quick to do, and upping to 2 decks would make a major difference.

-Have GB hit on soft 17s (17 with an ace at 11). Once again, an easy change that majorly impacts odds.

There are other things you could do to change the house edge, but I think one or both of those would have the necessary impact.

Two: Change the role of Anti-Freeze

AF scoops are supposedly for doing something dangerous. Right now, you get them for doing something safe — playing the best strategy you can in Blackjack. Instead of a time-wasting reward, make them a Flezz-wasting reward. Give someone a scoop every time (or every two times) they double down in Blackjack, as well as every time they bet 1000  in Guess My Number. If you need some quick scoops for Domination, you can spend a few grand for them. You’ll still be able to grind out scoops in Blackjack, but at a slower rate.

I hope people will give my ideas some consideration, especially Crotch Zombie. I think the second suggestion especially could improve Domination while still allowing AF to play an important role and stopping people from building up ridiculous banks like they have been.