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Politics How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving And Learned To Be Afraid

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http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_57499.shtml



How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving And Learned To Be Afraid

By Robert Jensen

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009


I have stopped hating Thanksgiving and learned to be afraid of the holiday.


Over the past few years a growing number of white people have joined the longstanding indigenous people’s critique of the holocaust denial that is at the heart of the Thanksgiving holiday. In two recent essays I have examined the disturbing nature of a holiday rooted in a celebration of the European conquest of the Americas, which means the celebration of the Europeans’ genocidal campaign against indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States. Many similar pieces have been published in predominantly white left/progressive media, while indigenous people continue to mark the holiday as a “National Day of Mourning”.


In recent years I have refused to participate in Thanksgiving Day meals, even with friends and family who share this critical analysis and reject the national mythology around manifest destiny. In bowing out of those gatherings, I would often tell folks that I hated Thanksgiving. I realize now that “hate” is the wrong word to describe my emotional reaction to the holiday. I am afraid of Thanksgiving. More accurately, I am afraid of what Thanksgiving tells us about both the dominant culture and much of the alleged counterculture.


Here’s what I think it tells us: As a society, the United States is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt. This is a society in which even progressive people routinely allow national and family traditions to trump fundamental human decency. It’s a society in which, in the privileged sectors, getting along and not causing trouble are often valued above honesty and accountability. Though it’s painful to consider, it’s possible that such a society is beyond redemption. Such a consideration becomes frightening when we recognize that all this goes on in the most affluent and militarily powerful country in the history of the world, but a country that is falling apart — an empire in decline.


Thanksgiving should teach us all to be afraid.


Although it’s well known to anyone who wants to know, let me summarize the argument against Thanksgiving: European invaders exterminated nearly the entire indigenous population to create the United States. Without that holocaust, the United States as we know it would not exist. The United States celebrates a Thanksgiving Day holiday dominated not by atonement for that horrendous crime against humanity but by a falsified account of the “encounter” between Europeans and American Indians. When confronted with this, most people in the United States (outside of indigenous communities) ignore the history or attack those who make the argument. This is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.


In left/radical circles, even though that basic critique is widely accepted, a relatively small number of people argue that we should renounce the holiday and refuse to celebrate it in any fashion. Most leftists who celebrate Thanksgiving claim that they can individually redefine the holiday in a politically progressive fashion in private, which is an illusory dodge: We don’t define holidays individually or privately — the idea of a holiday is rooted in its collective, shared meaning. When the dominant culture defines a holiday in a certain fashion, one can’t pretend to redefine it in private. To pretend we can do that also is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.


I press these points with no sense of moral superiority. For many years I didn’t give these questions a thought, and for some years after that I sat sullenly at Thanksgiving dinners, unwilling to raise my voice. For the past few years I’ve spent the day alone, which was less stressful for me personally (and, probably, less stressful for people around me) but had no political effect. This year I’ve avoided the issue by accepting a speaking invitation in Canada, taking myself out of the country on that day. But that feels like a cheap resolution, again with no political effect in the United States.


The next step for me is to seek creative ways to use the tension around this holiday for political purposes, to highlight the white-supremacist and predatory nature of the dominant culture, then and now. Is it possible to find a way to bring people together in public to contest the values of the dominant culture? How can those of us who want to reject that dominant culture meet our intellectual, political, and moral obligations? How can we act righteously without slipping into self-righteousness? What strategies create the most expansive space possible for honest engagement with others?


Along with allies in Austin, I’ve struggled with the question of how to create an alternative public event that could contribute to a more honest accounting of the American holocausts in the past (not only the indigenous genocide, but African slavery) and present (the murderous U.S. bumault on the developing world, especially in the past six decades, in places such as Vietnam and Iraq).

Some have suggested an educational event, bringing in speakers to talk about those holocausts. Others have suggested a gathering focused on atonement. Should the event be more political or more spiritual? Perhaps some combination of methods and goals is possible.

However we decide to proceed, we can’t ignore the ugly ideological realities of the holiday. My fear of those realities is appropriate but facing reality need not leave us paralyzed by fear; instead it can help us understand the contours of the multiple crises — economic and ecological, political and cultural — that we face. The challenge is to channel our fear into action. I hope that next year I will find a way to take another step toward a more meaningful honoring of our intellectual, political, and moral obligations.

As we approach Thanksgiving Day, I’m eager to hear about the successful strategies of others. For such advice, I would be thankful.

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lol american thanksgiving

The holiday is based in complete opposition to what you claim.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/590003/Thanksgiving-Day

This is akin to fearing Christmas because long dead Christians killed millions in the Crusades. Not that wrongs weren’t done or that they ought be covered up, but the “fear” is misplaced.

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Literally nobody gives a **** about the ACTUAL real meaning, nor the “celebration of a holocaust” this jerkoff is fabulous personging on about. Nobody in America gives a **** about what ANY holiday actually means except fringe extremists who make it a point to tell everyone how much better they are because they won’t give into the commercialization of some arbitrary celebration about who gives a ****.

Thanksgiving isn’t even about Thanksgiving anymore, it’s literally about football and preparing for a shopping day to most Americans. I know more atheists who celebrate Christmas, than I do people who celebrate it as the birth of a savior. Don’t even get me started on Arbor Day.

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Literally nobody gives a **** about the ACTUAL real meaning, nor the “celebration of a holocaust” this jerkoff is fabulous personging on about. Nobody in America gives a **** about what ANY holiday actually means except fringe extremists who make it a point to tell everyone how much better they are because they won’t give into the commercialization of some arbitrary celebration about who gives a ****.

Thanksgiving isn’t even about Thanksgiving anymore, it’s literally about football and preparing for a shopping day to most Americans. I know more atheists who celebrate Christmas, than I do people who celebrate it as the birth of a savior. Don’t even get me started on Arbor Day.

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Bacchus Posted:

The holiday is based in complete opposition to what you claim.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/590003/Thanksgiving-Day

This is akin to fearing Christmas because long dead Christians killed millions in the Crusades. Not that wrongs weren’t done or that they ought be covered up, but the “fear” is misplaced.

I’m not claiming anything, I posted an article. I will say though, this is from the link you posted:

Americans generally believe that their Thanksgiving is modeled on a 1621 harvest feast shared by the English colonists (Pilgrims) of Plymouth and the Wampanoag Indians.

We shared more than a feast. Thousands of native Americans were wiped out due to smallpox and other European diseases that their bodies were unfamiliar with.

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Literally nobody gives a **** about the ACTUAL real meaning, nor the “celebration of a holocaust” this jerkoff is fabulous personging on about. Nobody in America gives a **** about what ANY holiday actually means except fringe extremists who make it a point to tell everyone how much better they are because they won’t give into the commercialization of some arbitrary celebration about who gives a ****.

I agree. And sure, I am a “fringe extremist”, but I’m not trying to tell anyone I’m better than they are. Having attended public schools in the US I understand how little actual history is taught to the general public. I don’t even agree with everything this guy is saying, but reading and learning about alternate viewpoints is an important thing that’s been omitted from American education just like Jesus from Christmas (lol, Jesus). No, I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. That has a lot to do with not enjoying spending the day with my parents and very little to do with politics though.

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actually I generally like this holiday. Thanks to its proximity to Christmas it’s relatively uncorrupted and retains a lot of its spirit ie family visiting, hanging out, feasting, drinking, football maybe (not for my family) and perhaps most importantly it doesn’t usually bankrupt you or besiege you for a month ahead of time.

If you really want a holiday that needs to be off the calendar, get rid of Columbus day. “The people are loving and gentle and fit to be Christians. They are docile and will make good slaves.” – Christopher Columbus, April 1493

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Fortunato Posted:

actually I generally like this holiday. Thanks to its proximity to Christmas it’s relatively uncorrupted and retains a lot of its spirit ie family visiting, hanging out, feasting, drinking, football maybe (not for my family) and perhaps most importantly it doesn’t usually bankrupt you or besiege you for a month ahead of time.

If you really want a holiday that needs to be off the calendar, get rid of Columbus day. “The people are loving and gentle and fit to be Christians. They are docile and will make good slaves.” – Christopher Columbus, April 1493

turns out, they aren’t good slaves at all

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what about the turkey holocaust? Why are we turning our heads to the outrage of the turkey slaughter?

Forgot about this.

Sharing=Genocide

I see.

And, ya, you did claim that.

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