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from my experience, these discussion topics are tedious and everyone makes the same arguments over and over again. how about you? |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 6:52AM | View Patently Chill P...'s Profile | # | ||||||
My impression is no matter what the context, the people who participate in such debates will at some point state their positions and try to suggest that their positions are superior to all others, supporting their bumertion with misconstrued facts, fastidious implication and thinly veiled opinion. |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 3:09PM | View mterek's Profile | # | ||||||
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mterek Posted:
Not so! Also,how do you go through steps 1-3 then make thinly veiled opinions? Is that even possible to do after steps 1-3. |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 3:14PM | AIDS woman's genitals | # | ||||||
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mterek Posted:
You can think that if you want, but science PROVES that on the internet, people just like to repeat their arguments over and over because it’s easier to copy-paste than to come up with something new.
Bob Sprankle blogs about this phenomenon here, and that’s just from the FIRST page on Google. |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 3:18PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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MC Banhammer Posted:
i was talking about real life, not the internet |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 4:22PM | View Patently Chill P...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Professor Commie PhD Posted:
I was responding to mterek, not you. |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 4:24PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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mterek Posted:
If you don’t think your own position is superior, is it really ‘your’ position? It’s part and parcel of believing one thing to be true, that you think things contradicting that view are false (even if your viewpoint is an inclusive one and you think there are many correct views, you implicitly disagree with people who say there’s only one right answer). Let people bumert whatever they think is right, and if you think they’re wrong then demonstrate why with some bumertions (hopefully better supported ones) of your own. Or choose not to participate if you really think they’re stupid beyond repair. man-man edited this message on 05/28/2010 6:41PM |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 6:41PM | View man-man's Profile | # | ||||||
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^ I forgot the technical name for it, but that’s the theory that people tend to think positively of their own thoughts and actions, and negatively of the thoughts and actions of others. |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 6:48PM | View Drakodan's Profile | # | ||||||
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Drakodan Posted:
pretentious ignorance?
Or is that just Christianity? |
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Posted On: 05/28/2010 9:41PM | View SIG-ENABLING-MOC...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Drakodan Posted:
If you don’t “think positively of” of your own thoughts, why were you thinking them? If you claim a position then you automatically affirm it to be correct and hence deny any mutually exclusive position. Unless you’re willing to believe “A and not A”. Being open-minded isn’t constantly vacillating and going on about how wrong you probably are, it’s being willing to change your mind if presented with a better idea. If you’re uncertain, that’s a viewpoint too, but you know what they call a person who answers “what do you think” with “well different people think all kinds of things, I couldn’t possibly have an opinion of my own”. A politician Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 05/29/2010 12:29AM | View man-man's Profile | # | ||||||
AIDS woman's genitals Posted:
Hmm.
1. Illegal aliens are hurting America. (state the position) 2. All other countries benefit from the American example, even Mexico. Illegals are undermining the American message to the world. (suggest it is superior) 3. Studies show 99% of illegals are tomato pickers.(miscostrued fact) 4. If they were really smart, they could go to college. (fastidious implication) 5. The facts just show that illegals are stupid. (veiled opinion)
#5 is nothing more than a fallacious generalization of #3, and it’s worse if ‘illegals’ was substituted for ‘mexicans’. #4 is almost a truism, but sneeringly suggests #5 (and is treated by #5 as a ‘fact’Log in to see images!.
man-man Posted:
If a decision was made on the person’s part, it’s his/her position. Religion and party affiliation are typically given to kids by their parents, but remaining with those positions is just as much a choice as switching away from them.
man-man Posted:
Our brains don’t work like that. Instinctively we’re not looking for truth, we’re looking to be right. That’s why it took several thousand years until Bacon’s scientific method for us to approach fact logically. It’s not intuitive at all. |
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Posted On: 05/29/2010 3:30AM | View mterek's Profile | # | ||||||
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mterek Posted: I don’t see the difference, are there any other synonyms you could use? mterek Posted: Then everyone else needs to catch up with human progress, at least as far as the Enlightenment. |
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Posted On: 05/29/2010 6:29AM | View man-man's Profile | # | ||||||
Applying the scientific method gives some results on why exactly discussions tend to stall; This book deals with a certain thought patterns in authoritarian thinking. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 05/30/2010 1:03AM | View TZX's Profile | # | ||||||