Celerysteve Posted:

I agree with the first sentence. However, pacifist politics didn’t save Europe from certain tyranny twice. Pacifist politics doesn’t keep unseen wolves from the gates while you sleep in the naive confides of a warm bed. Pacifist politics doesn’t render aid and food and fight foreign oppressors all over the globe (and do so for the most part for genuinely thankful people who the media doesn’t show you because it’s not controversial enough to get good television ratings).

Pacifist politics says screw everyone else, let’s bend over with a kick me sign on and hope it all turns out ok. We leave in a dog-eat-dog world with two driving forces: money and power by force. No amount of idealistic misconceptions are going to prove that otherwise. You want peace? Well, there’s some very bad, very mean men out there with things that go boom who don’t want you to have that peace – pacifist politics doesn’t make them go away – meaner, badder, and boomier does.

Happy Veteran’s Day, Forumwarz.

Unfortunate but true. Happy Veterans Day.

lol u.s. soldiers

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Inconnu Posted:

Lot’s of my grand relatives died in a WWII. My grand-grand dad was a guerrilla fighter. The other grand-dad nearly died and this experience affected him for the whole life. And some of my best friends died too or got permanent mental disorders in modern military incidents. One of them, really great guy and a good friend, served in Angola and Bosnia as a sniper. When he got back, he was totally unable to communicate. When we tried to comfort him, he went screaming and talking about exploding heads in optic visor he keeps seeing every day in his nightmares. He spent year or so all alone, and when he couldn’t deal with it anymore, he volunteered to Chechnya. He was killed after a week or so.

War is a terrible thing and has nothing to do festive celebrations, parades and fireworks or solemn threads. Please, don’t talk about war. Remember those who died, never enlist in military and vote the most pacifist politics you can. That’s pretty much all you can do for those, who died.

Agreed, war is an unfortunate horror. However, the reality is that it exists, and pretending it does not is foolish. Pacifism is not the answer, because it simply allows those without conscious to inflict more suffering upon the world.

A true soldier fights only when he must, and prays for peace every day. Until the day when every man, woman and child agrees and understands the consequences of war, a miltiary defense program is simply a necessity.

Inconnu, if everyone in the world had your perspective, then I would agree with you. But there are simply far too many people that are willing to use violence to achieve their goals for me to embrace or support a pacifist philosophy.

Veteran’s day isn’t just for the veterans. It’s not to show the ‘glories’ of war, but to remind us all of what they fought to protect.

No true soldier wants to go to war. But a true soldier is willing to do what must be done in order to protect those that stay behind, as well as to protect their fellow soldiers.