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Drugs Luck versus Charisma

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

scully Posted:

I’m pretty sure that ET confirmed that luck does not influence pwning in any way.

That was before the gameplay tuneup. It’s POSSIBLE that Luck affects how often you’re hit with special attacks (but I doubt it).

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

scully Posted:

I’m pretty sure that ET confirmed that luck does not influence pwning in any way. (It will not make the forum miss you more often, only defense matters for that.)

MC Banhammer Posted:

That was before the gameplay tuneup. It’s POSSIBLE that Luck affects how often you’re hit with special attacks (but I doubt it).

You two would know better than I – and you’ve gotta remember, I’ve barely been around here three months – so I’m going to flail around a lot (probably in the wrong direction).

I was basing my thotz on Luck/Charisma from the Wiki.

LUCK

“The more of this you have, the more Jesus loves you. It seems to influence how valuable the gifts that random Internet strangers send you are. Surprisingly, making many feel cheated, it does not improve your chances with the Gamble-Bot. It is possible that the random sections of attacks are affected by this. Increases the number of gifts you receive at rollovers. Good for characters that can’t stack Charisma.”

CHARISMA

“This is the number that decides if you’re likable or not (more likable = more gifts). Increases the number of gifts you receive at rollovers.”

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

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Afterthotz Posted:

LUCK

“The more of this you have, the more Jesus loves you. It seems to influence how valuable the gifts that random Internet strangers send you are. Surprisingly, making many feel cheated, it does not improve your chances with the Gamble-Bot. It is possible that the random sections of attacks are affected by this. Increases the number of gifts you receive at rollovers. Good for characters that can’t stack Charisma.”

The bolded part isn’t true, or wasn’t last I heard.

Here is just one of many, many posts/threads where how it works is explained.

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Base run on forums suggested by Dunatis:

Denture Chat

The Furry Farm

Paranoid Panorama

Something Lawful


Luck: 1

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593 (checking just in case)

# of deliveries: 11

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   4,542

Well, here we are. Sorry, ‘twas a busy weekend. It begins again.

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Luck: 11

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593 (confirmed)

# of deliveries: 16

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   12,426

Afterthotz edited this message on 11/04/2009 11:09AM

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Luck: 21

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593

# of deliveries: 17

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   21,250

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

Luck set at 11 and 21 the amount received was 1% more than the formula predicted (not too shabby) but with luck set at 1 it was 29% more than predicted, making that the largest error currently on the chart.

How sure are you that you didn’t have some other Junk already in your inventory that day?

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

man-man Posted:

How sure are you that you didn’t have some other Junk already in your inventory that day?

Fairly sure. But it’s no problem to do another base run, just in case.


The only other thing I can think of that might have skewed the data is that the cross-section of forums I’m running atm have a much wider range than my normal runs. I usually keep the 4 forums I’m running very close in level (ie: 19, 19, 19, 20), but this time it’s everywhere (1, 8, 11, 20)... I’m wondering if that has anything to with it.

Log in to see images!”Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Base run Flezz confirmed.

Luck: 1

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593

# of deliveries: 12

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   4,882

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Luck: 31

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593

# of deliveries: 17

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   29,803

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Luck: 41

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593

# of deliveries: 16

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   35,091

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

Damnit… all of these runs are just proving that I’m still pretty far wrong Log in to see images!

Since you started the 60593 runs, the predictions have been wrong by 20%+ every time…

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
28

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

I lurk much better than I post - and my lurking skills really suck.

Luck: 51

Charisma: 1

# of unique forums pwn’ed yesterday: 4

Cred gained yesterday: 60593

# of deliveries: 17

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   47,148

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

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Afterthotz Posted:

Total value of deliveries (Frugality 10):   47,148

So much for the  40K cap, eh?

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

MC Banhammer Posted:

So much for the  40K cap, eh?

Depends how much of a random factor there is Log in to see images!

Too many runs align near-perfectly with a 40K cap to toss the idea out completely…

Afterthotz

Avatar: 187543 2010-01-24 16:13:10 -0500
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[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Hacker

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MC Banhammer Posted:

So much for the  40K cap, eh?

You also have to realise we got that theoretical cap back on page 5, when running four level 20’ish forums ended with a cap of 160k’ish  , which we then divided by four = 40k’ish per forum.

Latest run   divided by four is still way below that cap.

I’ts almost time for another informal pow wow to determine what we think we know, what we don’t, and a practical way to go about testing said theories.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

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Afterthotz Posted:

I’ts almost time for another informal pow wow to determine what we think we know, what we don’t, and a practical way to go about testing said theories.

I dunno, I think your current plan of running with a static set of cred, changing only one variable at a time, is a good one. This allows for other people to run the same set changing a different variable. I’ll see if I have an alt I’m not using for anything right now who can do the same, maybe modifying Charisma and leaving Luck at 1.

One thing I think would be nice to see is to try to narrow down the random factor. Run the exact same stats for a while and see the range of randomization which results.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

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Got one who can work with Luck 0. That should be informative.

man-man

Avatar: 156485 2010-01-24 16:36:14 -0500
24

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 69 Hacker

Selfish fine upstanding member of society

Afterthotz Posted:

Latest run   divided by four is still way below that cap.

Brainfart… 40K per forum, so when you run 4, getting just over 40K is not a challenge to the cap…

The fact that Banhammer queried it made me bumume it was actually a problem Log in to see images!

MC Banhammer Posted:

Got one who can work with Luck 0. That should be informative.

If we could get down to Luck 0 and Charisma 0 I’d be rather interested in the results. But even without 0 Char, 0 Luck would let us probe the effect of Charisma very nicely.

MC Banhammer Posted:

One thing I think would be nice to see is to try to narrow down the random factor. Run the exact same stats for a while and see the range of randomization which results.

Also a fine idea. A large random factor would explain all those embarrbumingly large deviations from predicted results (which, incidentally, seem to be annoyingly common with the specific runs Afterthotz is doing right now), a small random factor would make it easier to eventually figure things out though.

man-man edited this message on 11/10/2009 2:55PM

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

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Sorry for causing you a problem. I don’t know any of these machanics and am just jumping on the spading now ‘cause I’m bored.

I’ve run those fixed forums with Luck 0, Charisma 1 and Luck 1, Charisma 1, and I’ll post the results tomorrow. Then we’ll see where to go from there.

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