God can’t exist and here’s why.

Suppose an infinite being created the universe. Since this entity is all-knowing, immortal, omnipotent, and infinite, it encompbumes the universe. So it couldn’t really create ALL the universe, just added more to whatever was already in the universe, (the stars, planets, galaxies we know of) which is a somewhat lesser accomplishment. In order to create the entire universe God must create himself, which is logically impossible.

While we cannot completely rule out the possibility of an omnipotent entity, we can rule out that an omnipotent entity with no creator of its own created the universe.

So there’s no point trying to resort to probabilities or other conciliatory arguments when talking to religious types. Either they’re dead wrong or their god wasn’t around forever, and is thus no longer a god but just a really powerful nebulous thing out there that might poo poo galaxies, but is ultimately not the creator of the universe and has no bearing on our lives anyway.

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MC Banhammer Posted:

Take this to Ayn Rands if you’re interested in an actual discussion/debate.

**** that **** I would like to elevate this debate right ****ing here in rp.

*ahem*

NO U

if there was an omnipotent, loving god how do you explain all the mess in the world, like poverty and hunger, and germany.

ATHEISM IS ****ING fine upstanding member of societyS

y’know this makes me wonder

What does Michael W Smith do with groupies? Share with them the glory of the lord? Pray with them? Make them promise not to abort his impregnating seed that he did not cover with a condom?

seriously michael w smith’s groupies are more interesting than another stupid ****ing debate about god holy ****

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Aldo_Anything Posted:

All above may only be true if there is only one universe. Multiverse theories have been discussed for decades and seem reasonable. A mighty being from another, older universe could be able to create a “subverse”. For all of us in that created universe, the being had godlike powers.

Also, **** you for not posting this in Ayn Rands.

first, what is the universe?

is it just the cosmological universe? No, since there are things outside that, like heaven and hell (let’s just suppose there are). Then there’s God. An infinite being. An infinite being must include everything. The cosmological universe, heaven/hell, and all that stuff are just subsets of god.

God literally IS the extended universe.

So here are the problems with that:

-suppose God only made the cosmological universe (even though in the Bible it clearly states otherwise, let’s say this is some other god that needs a starship)

-then whatever else God is BECOMES the universe before that point. So he didn’t make the universe. So this God is not worth our time.

-Now suppose God did make everything, including himself. How could this be possible?

One way is if he destroyed himself and everything therein and made a new version of it. That’s pretty badbum I can get behind that kind of god. Problem is, then there was stuff before the universe. God didn’t make that stuff, so whatever the first ‘stuff’ was that ever existed, God didn’t make it. That’s a pretty lousy God.

So then suppose someone made god and god made the cosmos. That’s not possible since God encompbumes everything, and any other gods would just become incorporated into this one.

The only thing I can think of is that there’s this creation cycle where god gradually destroys himself, and the universe, piece by piece, replacing all of it, since the beginning of time. Problem though is that since God is the extended universe, the universe has existed since the beginning of time, and God thus did not ‘create’ it.