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I'd just like to make sure I'm straight on all the rules and ban lengths. I wouldn't want there to be any accusation of preferential treatment or inconsistency among the moderation team. :) Also, a few thoughts on the new layout! | |||||||
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Let’s see if we’re all on the same page here:
Am I getting this right? I think the community would benefit from some straightforward answers from the mod team. It has been three weeks or more now since we originally asked for clarification during the Battle of was. I understand that in your efforts to generate new business from 15 year olds from 4chan who do not have credit cards and feel it is their right to receive everything over the internet for free, you do not necessarily have time to address the ongoing concerns of older members. I know that it’s hard when we only occasionally buy new alts and emotes, providing our continued support despite our requests being ignored or taking several months to be dealt with, and then being dealt with in a manner inconsistent with the spirit of the original request… For instance, I have a few issues with the new layout I’d like to bring up while I’m here in Game Discussion:
Thanks for your time! I’ll be eagerly awaiting the moderators telling us that these things are being worked on and then seeing no results or updates for another month. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:04AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
I think the lesson we were supposed to learn is that racism and genocide are fine, but the murder of white teenagers is an atrocity.
Good lesson, imo |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:09AM | View The Unknown Comi...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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The Unknown Comic Posted:
That helps to clarify a lot, and I thank you for your positive contribution. I upvoted your post most sincerely. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:10AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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The Unknown Comic Posted:
Celebrating racism and genocide is also not permitted in non-RP. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:11AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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MC Banhammer Posted:
I believe his point was that it is more permitted than a short, offhand remark about an unfortunate event occurring on the 20th of April. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:16AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Good to have you back. 1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted: Let’s really make sure we’re on the same page. Are you talking about the first offense ever, or the first time posting goatse? Because that’s potentially two separate things. And who are you referring to? Yourself? You weren’t banned for a week for your first offense or your first goatse. Please cite specific examples so that we may have a relevant discussion.
I’m going to bumume you mean your most recent ban, which was your 7th offense. I’d say that a 2 week ban, under the current rules, for a 7th offense, is quite appropriate.
This time you’ll really need to provide a specific post/user for me to reference.
Even though there’s a lot of toxicity in that paragraph, your primary points are relevant. Because a restructuring of the rules system and code of conduct is a large undertaking, involving discussion and input from multiple people behind the scenes, it takes some time. We have made a great deal of progress, but I don’t think we’re quite yet ready to unveil anything at this moment. That may happen as soon as later today (and it may only be a small tidbit of the entire package), or it may take even later into the week. But we have been engaging in vigorous discussion for the past 2-3 weeks, and that includes reviewing posts & threads like this. In fact, some of the most relevant input has been copied into the Mod Forum for discussion, like Fran’s recent presentation on why ItemBuildr & ForumBuildr voting issues need to be handled as separate issues.
All of these suggestion & comments should be posted here: http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/32824-flamebate-changes-official-feedback-thread
I don’t think you’ll have to wait quite so long as that.
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:23AM | View Sergeant Cid's Profile | # | ||||||
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- I think I received at least a few days for my first ban. – I am specifically referring to Fingerz’ 8 hour ban for a Hitler thread in Non-RP. While I, and most probably Unknown Comic, did not sincerely mean “Woohoo a bunch of children died! I’m so happy!” with that post, she is one of the people on this site whose racism I would consider genuine because it is so constant. I would never buy this, for example: Log in to see images! It was also not her first ban, therefore 8 hours seemed ridiculous to many. The bans were done all at the same time and hers made no sense in the context of McB’s recent post about ban lengths. I did not actually think *I* was being treated unfairly because of my prior record, which is why I did not write to ET to protest. It’s just that there are inconsistencies and the mods that issue the bans never explain themselves. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:40AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
Your first ban was for 48 hours. Yes, there’s inconsistency there, and yes, that’s one of the things we’re addressing.
ET himself made the 420-minute ban of Fingerz. I got him involved in a discussion of that thread and that’s what he decided. Again, going forward, we hope to get everyone on the same page. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:44AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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I will forgive the first ban, because I think it might have been by Scully and is now considered a collector’s item. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:46AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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But is there a reason ET felt the need to show favoritism in the token 4/20 ban he issued? |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:48AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
What you mistook for favoritism was just me attempting to be funny (420 minute ban, get it?).
Still, you make good points, and we’re working behind the scenes on establishing more fair ban practices. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:55AM | View Evil Trout's Profile | # | ||||||
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We have heard all your platitudes before, Trout. The people demand action, not words! |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:56AM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
I’m curious too, but then again…
The Unknown Comic Posted:
Also, leetLOL is right, I do not celebrate the murder of children.
EDIT: Since Trout admits he was wrong and unfair in the sake of “comedy,” I believe leet and I should be given reparations. The Unknown Comic edited this message on 05/04/2009 11:57AM |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 11:56AM | View The Unknown Comi...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted: 48 hours exactly, according to the record. Your second offense was right at 3.5 days.
I will include this concern and example into our discussion regarding bannable offenses & ban-lengths.
I have to disagree with you about ‘Mods never explaining themselves.’ The messages that are included with a ban (which we keep record of) almost always have a very direct explanation as to why the ban occurred.
As far as inconsistencies, we are addressing that. There are pros & cons on both sides of the ‘publicly displayed ban lengths’ issue, and we’re discussing which way to go on that issue.
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:00PM | View Sergeant Cid's Profile | # | ||||||
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The Unknown Comic Posted: You’re a Comedian. Comedians are Artists. Artists are supposed to suffer for their Art. Reparations would simply dilute the impact of your Art. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:02PM | View Sergeant Cid's Profile | # | ||||||
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The Unknown Comic and I suffered in silent dignity for our beliefs. Our next bans should be only 420 minutes long. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:05PM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
I personally feel this is the most important aspect of this highly critical and well thought out post. I would also like to at least disable contest and anon threads in active topics. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:09PM | View Fortunato's Profile | # | ||||||
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Fortunato Posted:
Hmm, or even being able to toggle which forums showed up on your individual ‘Active Topics’ list? |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:11PM | View Sergeant Cid's Profile | # | ||||||
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Fortunato Posted:
I think we’re going a little off topic here, but we are definitely discussing this behind scenes. |
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Posted On: 05/04/2009 12:15PM | View Evil Trout's Profile | # | ||||||
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Fortunato Posted: Perhaps add Kyoubai spam to that list. |
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Posted On: 05/05/2009 4:13AM | View Fat Freddys Cat's Profile | # | ||||||