Acid Flux Posted:

Why were you holding onto those items?

Much the same reason as why I can’t extract moar files or receive deliveries now – I have better things to do with my time than wrestle with a bad shop interface. Because I didn’t click the sell bumon, under the false bumumption that ET wouldn’t halve my ingame networth with no warning. Does it really matter? Their price was changed unannounced.

Actually I thought I’d said several times that the prices of the itembuildr items could change. I specifically remember telling people that, as leaving the items with upset stats is worse in the long term. At the very least, I remember saying in the beginning it was always up to our discretion what games got put in stores and when.

ItemBuildr will be around for a very long time. It was important to correct the generation code and fix the stats that were out of whack now, so that in the future things work out smoothly.

Giving refunds to players wouldn’t work either, because the items had already been traded and sold, etc.

On top of that, we’ve never made any promises that item prices would stay the same forever, or that items that exist now will always exist that way. If you are sitting on 1000 master balls, you did that out of your own bumumptions on how things would go, not our promises. If you do odd things, you are putting yourself at risk.

Evil Trout Posted:

If you are sitting on 1000 master balls, you did that out of your own bumumptions on how things would go, not our promises.

Not quite that many. And not as many as meeeee thinks I have.

Definitely not enough to skyrocket to the top of the Flezz Leaderboard, unless people start paying about 5 times as much as they currently are.

As far as a rollover schedule, are there any plans yet for how long an item will stay in itembuildr before it changes status?

Also, it would be very helpful if we could see the Item Types in the Co-Op. I just bought a bunch of Auschwitz Tattoos, and then realized that there was a Special Item in the works that was ‘Emo-Themed’.

If the ‘Death-Clock’ had a Douchebaggery stat instead of Tears, it could easily be mistaken for a Troll Fetish, for example.

A newer player could easily accidentally purchase an out-of-clbum item in Co-Op unless they are tagged in some obvious way.

Acid Flux Posted:

Not quite that many. And not as many as meeeee thinks I have.

It’s not easy to interpret ‘many, many’. I had an idea of your networth and bumumed you didn’t sink everything into it.

Anyway, I have a few alts without them so I’ll be one of the players pushing the price up.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

It’s not easy to interpret ‘many, many’. I had an idea of your networth and bumumed you didn’t sink everything into it.

Anyway, I have a few alts without them so I’ll be one of the players pushing the price up.

Well, I’m not going to say how many I have until I have less than, say, 20 left.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

If you do odd things, you’re putting your game at risk. Giving a minority of players a mbumive advantage or disadvantage simply as a consequence of a bugfix is one of those odd things, just as the Falcon plaque was another. If you don’t see that you made a mistake, you’re going to continue to make the same mistakes, and a number of us who still (somehow, despite everything) still manage to give a damn, are going to continue to resent the consequences of these arbitrary whims.

Financial speculation based on bug fixes is a horrible way to run an economy. You actually want players financially speculating on what you’re going to fix next?

You made one of the most valuable items in the game instantly extremely rare. And some players had large stockpiles of that item, because it was a desirable item, and they were using it to increase their auction seller score. Were you aware of this? It doesn’t sound odd to me at all, given that it’s a direct and obvious consequence of the game system you designed. The price, barring it appearing in the Ppwn Shoppe, should actually be higher than anything the moar files go for. And if you change the stats, that’ll leave another bunch of players extremely gypped.

In the end, a refund is the only fair solution, and the sooner the better. Whether the item was traded or bought should be immaterial unless players are paying way over the odds for the item, and the sooner you refund, the less consequences. You could also refund the kyoubai sale amount, though that would be adding flezz to the economy. If you’re increasing the price of the item that would be balanced, however.

this exactly

Evil Trout Posted:

Actually I thought I’d said several times that the prices of the itembuildr items could change. I specifically remember telling people that, as leaving the items with upset stats is worse in the long term. At the very least, I remember saying in the beginning it was always up to our discretion what games got put in stores and when.

ItemBuildr will be around for a very long time. It was important to correct the generation code and fix the stats that were out of whack now, so that in the future things work out smoothly.

Giving refunds to players wouldn’t work either, because the items had already been traded and sold, etc.

On top of that, we’ve never made any promises that item prices would stay the same forever, or that items that exist now will always exist that way. If you are sitting on 1000 master balls, you did that out of your own bumumptions on how things would go, not our promises. If you do odd things, you are putting yourself at risk.

Why are the Itembuildr items sold in shops at all? Nobody really needs these items to beat episode 2, so the only players who are interested in them are collectors and/or people who care about speedrun times. Why not put X (X = 1 imo) Itembuildr items of every kind every day up in Kyoubai (every auction runs for 24 hours, reserve price = the base cost) and let us bid for them? All items would be rare and this should pull some flezz out of the economy instead of ****ing it up even more.

Amasius Posted:

Why are the Itembuildr items sold in shops at all? Nobody really needs these items to beat episode 2, so the only players who are interested in them are collectors and/or people who care about speedrun times. Why not put X (X = 1 imo) Itembuildr items of every kind every day up in Kyoubai (every auction runs for 24 hours, reserve price = the base cost) and let us bid for them? All items would be rare and this should pull some flezz out of the economy instead of ****ing it up even more.

Right now most of them are expensive / high end due to the way the algorithm works. But it will be seeding items for players at all levels, starting pretty soon I’d imagine.

Evil Trout Posted:

Right now most of them are expensive / high end due to the way the algorithm works. But it will be seeding items for players at all levels, starting pretty soon I’d imagine.

Fine, but still nobody needs them because there are already enough items for all levels and you desperately need a way to pull flezz out of the economy. Have you looked at the flezz leaderboard in the last time?

Sergeant Cid Posted:

I (and other players) took notice of this, and decided to take a calculated risk by investing in certain items.

We paid attention to the environment, and took action. Why should we be penalized for watching the market and making a smart decision?

There.