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second best equipment off/def wise in the game… pulled from the market (for the moment at least)... what do you think the odds are it’ll be nerfed pretty intensely soon, then reintroduced? i’m debating whether to sell mine off while it’s still desirable. what do you fine folks think? |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:40PM | View Electric-Turtle-...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Electric-Turtle-02 Posted:
They haven’t touched the stats of any other moars, even the stupid ones. It won’t happen. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:41PM | View Shii's Profile | # | ||||||
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I think the current solution is ****ing fine. No reason for nerfs or reintroductions. Let people who had it keep it, and don’t give it to anyone else. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:42PM | View Big Brother's Profile | # | ||||||
It’ll stay the same. I expect to see it in the Ppwn Shop at an inflated price. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:45PM | View Sneaky27's Profile | # | ||||||
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All I want is for them to fix the stupid self-referential “forumwarz” joke. It destroyed narrative. At the very least, change it to “Battlethreads”. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:56PM | View swine's Profile | # | ||||||
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It will probably show up in the ppwn shop someday. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 8:56PM | View Colonel Bear's Profile | # | ||||||
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swine Posted:
It was a rant on how the stats are stupidly high. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 9:02PM | View Big Brother's Profile | # | ||||||
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I’m keeping mine. And they should keep it as is. If not, I’d demand a refund… which I wouldn’t get anyway. |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 9:55PM | View Balloon's Profile | # | ||||||
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Three things need to happen. Nerf the Master Ball and the Dragon Balls, give players refunds for them with the option to buy again, and introduce some flezz sinks. We are long, long overdue some flezz sinks and it’s quite possibly past the point where they would be useful now. This games economy has now suffered 4 months of neglect since the introduction of Kyoubai, at the end of which, through complacency and poor planning, ET hands a tiny minority of players the ability to increase their flezz pile by magnitudes. meeeeeeeeee edited this message on 04/18/2009 10:09PM |
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Posted On: 04/18/2009 10:08PM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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Right-o. We need an EVIL OMBAMA to come by and take 30 million from the top players. J/K
I totally agree the damage has been done. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 1:55PM | View Balloon's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
Every single player had the exact same opportunity to take the risky investment.
In fact, there was even more opportunity for players to potentially benefit from this than the E-Peen Falcon Plaque quest, that was only available for about an hour, unannounced.
Sour grapes are very sour. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:06PM | View Acid Flux's Profile | # | ||||||
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Now, having said that, the general economy does need some changes. Feel free to submit constructive criticism and ideas through the proper channels. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:07PM | View Acid Flux's Profile | # | ||||||
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I have one. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:19PM | View Raepdog's Profile | # | ||||||
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Acid Flux Posted:
That is utter and complete hogwash as people have different amounts of Flezz (duh). Also it does not really matter if players had equal opportunity or not: the imbalance created is of an order of magnitude that needs to be addressed.
Cool beans for you if you invested in masterballs and maybe you deserve to profit from it, but not by the insane amounts that make this more profitable than any other action ever and ever (Depending on how this is handled we’re looking at about $100000000). It’s simply bad game design to do nothing about this. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:29PM | DEAD fabulous person | # | ||||||
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the Pro Posted: I had numbers higher than that, though it does depend on how many Acid bought, and guesswork on how things play out.
If he spent 25m on Master Balls at 200k each (? I forget the buy price on maximum frugality) that’s 125 Master Balls.
They’re selling for 1m each, but since they’re not available through any other channels (just like the donor plaque) and have an ingame value (which means more players will want them) that price is probably low.
So, let’s say they start selling for 2m each. If Acid Flux has 125, that would be 250m, or 225m profit. If they start selling for 4m that would be 500m and 475m profit. Such insane numbers are dependant on the continuing rarity of the item though. meeeeeeeeee edited this message on 04/19/2009 2:48PM |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:47PM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
People had more of a warning about Master Balls than we got about the reduction of junk prices. Anyone who was letting junk pile up in their inventory lost Flezz proportionate to the amount of junk they had, with no warning or consideration of reparations. All we got was ‘You should have been selling your junk. You were probably trying to cheat the system somehow.’
But, this time it matters, because instead of only a few people getting hurt, only a few people were benefited, which I guess translates into most people getting hurt, if you want to think about it that way.
If that needs to be fixed, then everyone who lost Flezz due to the two unannounced junk price drops should also be compensated for the loss. If those people (which included me) need to deal with the loss, so does everyone else when it happens to them.
If we want to talk about Flezz sinks, ET should be doing more ‘Special Auctions’, along the lines of custom ePeen and other non-Equipment items. Now that we have itembuildr, we have a few special items coming into the system, so the Special Items would need to be much more special than they used to be. More headsets would be a good way to judge the interest and the amount of Flezz people would sink into that, so that other Special items could be properly judged. A Special Item not based on Offense or Defense might go for a lot, though. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 2:51PM | View naughty-mayhem's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
The more Acid Flux bought, the less rare they are. The more people think he bought, the lower the max price people will pay, because there will always be another one coming.
Of course, if Flezz meant anything to people, they’d pay less, too. But, in an economy where people will pay 4,000,000 for a Marble, because it’s funny, I fail to see how giving someone nearly any amount of Flezz is hurting anything.
Seriously. What has the piles of Flezz the top ten people on the Flezz board gotten them, other than the ability to be in the top ten and domination over the three special auctions ET put out.
Flezz needs to have value before it matters that people have gotten millions of it. There’s already a huge problem with the economy. A dozen people having the possibility (but not certainty) of big profit from market analysis and ET psychology doesn’t mean anything if what people are ‘winning’ isn’t worth anything but the ability to say you have more of it. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 3:01PM | View naughty-mayhem's Profile | # | ||||||
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naughty-mayhem Posted:
A viable economy would be a huge bumet to this game, but ET has already probably ****ed that opportunity away, barring a reset. And ET doesn’t like to upset people so that’s not going to happen. This change is more along the lines of adding insult to injury – he simply demonstrated he hasn’t learned anything from his previous mistakes. And yes, I was one of the players who was holding a large amount of flezz in items, when ET devalued them the last two times, unannounced. |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 3:10PM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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the Pro Posted: Everyone had the same opportunity. Whether or not they had the resources to capitalize on the opportunity is a matter of individual situation.
My grandfather had the opportunity and resources to invest in a few companies about 30+ years ago. My wife’s grandfather had the same opportunity, but fewer resources. My grandfather didn’t cheat my wife’s grandfather in any way whatsoever by making his fortune via those investments.
Hmm, now where was this outrage when people hoarded their Junk Books pre-Episode 2 and they became very valuable pieces of equipment? Items that were valued at less than 5000 flezz suddenly were sellable on Kyoubai for 400K+. Those speculators weren’t accused of any corruption or wrongdoing. Why now?
No, it’s not. So far, I haven’t seen a Master Ball sell for the amounts you’re talking about. Additionally, the supply & demand of the market dictates the appropriate price.
In fact, there’s also risk in the speculation of when and for how much to sell these things. Sell too soon, and you may not get as much as you might since the market has more than a few listed right now. Wait for a while until the supply starts to dry up when you could demand a higher price, and they may show up in the Ppwn Shoppe for less than they’re selling now.
Watching events in the market place and speculating isn’t ‘bad economy’. It’s how the economy (and in fact, most economies) are supposed to work.
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 3:11PM | View Acid Flux's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted: Why were you holding onto those items? |
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Posted On: 04/19/2009 3:13PM | View Acid Flux's Profile | # | ||||||