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Poll CP vs. CP

ANGRY HOBO

Avatar: 49150 Tue Aug 11 01:43:48 -0400 2009
1

Level 28 Emo Kid

lmbo i gave this account and now its full of people :D bye all this game is ****....................

Btw, if forumwarz is hosted on a american server why do you have to follow the canadian rulles? Do you have rulles about online companies even if they are hosted in a difrent country?

MercWithMouth

Avatar: 150029 2009-09-15 13:35:36 -0400
17

[WeChall]

Level 35 Hacker

Verbose and long-winded as always

ANGRY HOBO Posted:

Btw, if forumwarz is hosted on a american server why do you have to follow the canadian rulles? Do you have rulles about online companies even if they are hosted in a difrent country?

Heh heh heh.

Kind of f-d up, ain’t it?

Without going into a long winded talk on Civil Procedure — or international business transactions, for that matter — if a prosecutor in Texas wanted to go after Trout, he could and his charging instruments would be Texas law.

Likewise, if a prosecutor in Toronto wanted to go after Trout, he could and his charging instruments would be Ontario law.

For what it’s worth, the legal community has been doing a collective Log in to see images!

maxhell

Avatar: harblgar

[HALL OF HELL]

Level 9 Troll

“Jerk Chicken”

fat fat fast! I got it!Log in to see images!

maxhell was banned for this post by Aldo_Anything

maxhell edited this message on 07/23/2009 2:25PM

maxhell

Avatar: harblgar

[HALL OF HELL]

Level 9 Troll

“Jerk Chicken”

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Celerysteve

Avatar: 61989 2011-12-28 11:21:37 -0500
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[Temple of the Anth-
ropomorphic Majesty
]

Level 35 Troll

Right from the moment when I saw Saw, I laughed.

I think all this does is point out how absurd criminalizing loli is. Seriously, it’s… a… ****ing… picture! I don’t think any form of self expression a person can do should be considered a crime — unless that same person committed another crime in the process of doing so — Like CP is a crime cuz you’re molesting and exploiting kids, or say if you cut somebody’s head off and painted a mural in your basement with their blood and ****, that’d be a crime. As I see it the photo and the mural aren’t the crime at all, their just evidence of another crime. No self expression in and of itself should be a crime and nothing should be a crime unless their’s a victim involved.

CZ is just covering their bumes, it’s not their fault the law is very special.

Dunatis

Avatar: 78885 2011-11-01 01:20:41 -0400
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[Cabal Gamez]

Level 69 Hacker

Richard Whittington

MC Banhammer Posted:

Just to let you know: Hobo’s ban was indeed done by a mod (me), but only after I consulted with someone who might go to jail. ET said to ban.

This isn’t a judgment call over something which doesn’t have legal ramifications, like the judgment calls we make on shock pics. So I left, and will continue to leave, those decisions to the people who could be affected by them. They’re not legal experts, so they err on the side of caution.

If YOU aren’t a legal expert on what constitutes child pornography in Canada, then your opinion doesn’t matter, because it’s just an opinion. Three hundred non-experts can say it’s okay, but that means nothing in the eyes of the law. So the poll is meaningless, and no amount of discussion should have any bearing on their decisions regarding this matter.

EDIT: Ninja’d by JB!

In Canada, CP is illegal to posses, distribute and create. Lolicon however is considered legal so long as it cannot be proven that there was no underage model being treated in a sexual manner, which is damn near impossible of course but would likely apply to when the creator of the lolicon is found to be a sexual abuser.

Which makes it amusing that Context’s pic was so similar since if someone linked the two they could claim that it was the illegal variant although I highly doubt that to be the case.

Unless this law has changed in the last few years anyways…

MercWithMouth

Avatar: 150029 2009-09-15 13:35:36 -0400
17

[WeChall]

Level 35 Hacker

Verbose and long-winded as always

There were some interesting reflections on the topic that were posted by Volokh on his blog this week.

Cheins Sanch-
ez

Avatar: 64305 2010-01-24 16:17:15 -0500
14

[The Airship]

Level 36 Troll

Rex Sacrorum

Does this mean I can post links to child model sites? A picture of a young lady in normal clothing must be less sexual than a toddler clothed only in feminine hygiene products. I realize that the issue involved is more or less resolved, but I still don’t know where the line is drawn here.

Alfred Nonym-
ous

Avatar: 186767 Sat Jun 27 08:44:33 -0400 2009
7

Level 33 Hacker

“01001000 01000001 01011000”

things count as cp if the website where it’s placed is interested in it

If someone posts the girl who pees herself from an episode of the sarah silverman program on a humor forum it’s not cp

if the same video is posted on a pee fetish site it is

if the offending picture is posted on a parenting forum it’s not CP

if it’s posted on /b/ or another openly-pedophile forum, it is.

This site is a gray area. I think the picture was posted on generic role-playing for a humorous purpose, which should be legal. But in the troll’s hole people are “openly pedophile”, so posting it there would be illegal.

the drawing is legal everywhere by the way, except maybe australia where some guy got arrested for a naked picture of bart simpson

It’s all relative

Alfred Nonymous edited this message on 07/02/2009 7:18AM
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