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ANGRY HOBO Posted:
I miss Patch Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 10:38AM | View Fingerz's Profile | # | ||||||
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Guys, this is obviously a serious issue for us, because it involves the law. The “selective modding” issue, which I believe is a misnomer, is really tertiary when it comes to this.
As we’ve stressed many times before, mods and admins are bound to disagree on some judgment calls. That’s unavoidable. Now, I personally didn’t get a chance to weigh in on either picture, but if it were strictly up to me, I’d tend to err on the side of caution. That is, remove the picture and ban the poster in order to send a message.
Posting controversial and legally ambiguous material just to test our mettle is dumb and pointless. You could hypothetically post nothing but quasi-loli pictures 24 hours a day if you really wanted to watch us admins jump through hoops. Hilarious as that may be, it’s not our area of expertise and it’s not what we’re here to do. So after a while it becomes prudent to just start banning for it, even at the risk of ticking off some players.
Onto the copyright issue: We’ve done everything we can to ensure that we’re on the right side of the law when it comes to copyright. Very few sites in our arena are nearly as diligent as we have been when it comes to this.
With itembuildr, we insist that all uploaders promise that they have the right to use the image in question. This has proven less than reliable, unfortunately. So far, we’ve “quarantined” user-uploaded content from the rest of our site and we aim to clearly delineate it as such until we can find a way to sort it all out. As for INCIT, we’re using Creative Commons images through flickr’s API and giving a credit/link back to the original work, which is all they ask for. This is off-topic, so we can discuss in further detail in a different thread or TMs if you’re concerned. Jalapeno Bootyhole edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:26AM |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:25AM | View Jalapeno Bootyho...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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Just to let you know: Hobo’s ban was indeed done by a mod (me), but only after I consulted with someone who might go to jail. ET said to ban.
This isn’t a judgment call over something which doesn’t have legal ramifications, like the judgment calls we make on shock pics. So I left, and will continue to leave, those decisions to the people who could be affected by them. They’re not legal experts, so they err on the side of caution.
If YOU aren’t a legal expert on what constitutes child pornography in Canada, then your opinion doesn’t matter, because it’s just an opinion. Three hundred non-experts can say it’s okay, but that means nothing in the eyes of the law. So the poll is meaningless, and no amount of discussion should have any bearing on their decisions regarding this matter.
EDIT: Ninja’d by JB! MC Banhammer edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:28AM |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:27AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Jalapeno Bootyhole Posted:
Both pictures are still there via link. Mine wasn’t child-porn at all, it was a funny kid doing something stupid. If there are some sicko’s who fap to pictures of kids, that’s just gross.
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:31AM | View Wylin's Profile | # | ||||||
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Wylin Posted:
Hobo’s is still there in the Closet of Shame. I think (but can’t remember for sure) that ET thought that was sufficient. |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:35AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Wylin Posted:
all Angry hobos was, was a stick figure. If there are some sicko’s who fap to picture of stick figures with signs saying they are under 18, that’s just gross. |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:36AM | View CrinkzPipe's Profile | # | ||||||
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Wylin Posted:
The links remain so that people will understand why it was taken away. I’m okay with that. I know yours technically might not have counted as CP, but it’s still way too close for comfort in my opinion. Do not want. Jalapeno Bootyhole edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:37AM |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:37AM | View Jalapeno Bootyho...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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CrinkzPipe Posted:
oh, I didn’t really think either was bad, but he was trying to get close to the line, and I was just posting a funny pic of a stupid kid. |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:40AM | View Wylin's Profile | # | ||||||
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Wylin Posted:
THis.
Also, Wylin’s pic was not posted in a thread titled “OMG LOOK IT’S SOME CP!!” (or something to that effect) whereas AH’s was. So seriously you guys should just drop this silly argument over an incident which occurred months ago. You wanna tell CZ “**** YOU”? Guess what’s gonna happen? |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:44AM | View Fingerz's Profile | # | ||||||
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MC Banhammer Posted:
This is actually a very fuzzy area of the law that is under constant change. (Note that I said ‘under constant change’, not ‘under constant development.’ )
So much so… That, as legal relations go, the opinions of NON-experts matter more than you might think, and the opinions of ACTUAL-experts matter less than you might think — and the ratio would vary considerably from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Even so… With my law degree as my soapbox, I’ll say this.
FW Z hasn’t anything to worry about.
Even that picture that Wylin posted — a douche-move on his part — won’t have legal ramifications in any but the most warped courtrooms. (PRO-TIP: The judge and the district-attorney you get, and on what day, can have a large impact on the outcome of any given set of legal cirgreat timesstances.)
As for drawing the line… I have a suggestion.
http://www.filesavr.com/welcometoforumwarz
Most everyone’s seen that by now. I tend to unleash it on the new players for a quick laugh and pretty much every time I do, the newcomer gets a good chuckle and does feel welcomed.
Anyway, my suggestion is that the picture embedded in my link above? As a general matter, embrace it as one — possibly as many two — notches below what should be axed-on-sight. It’s a fuzzy guideline of course, but I think in practice it would work out well.
Even content that does go two or three more notches above that would not entail legal ramifications.
Above that level, I won’t say.
Profuse discussion aside, I think the Mod-team did a good job handling this ultimately. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 11:59AM | View MercWithMouth's Profile | # | ||||||
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my picture was not even sexualized. I see real photos of forumwarz featuring people UNDER 18 with SEXUALIZED PHOTOS. |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:03PM | View ANGRY HOBO's Profile | # | ||||||
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ANGRY HOBO Posted:
coughcontextcoughcough |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:04PM | View CrinkzPipe's Profile | # | ||||||
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also coughbronnihcough, and every other underage ‘camwhore’.
edit: but, as long as we, as a community find jokes about cp funny (see itembuildr, that new childhood trauma forum, etc), what do we expect? this whole issue is filled with hypocrisy in my opinion; it could be that we don’t take these things seriously and that’s why we find them funny, but then we can’t expect that someone will be able to find where is the line between serious, not intended, but serious and not serious issues. Princezz_Undies edited this message on 04/16/2009 12:19PM |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:14PM | View Princezz_Undies's Profile | # | ||||||
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Princezz_Undies Posted:
thats almost the whole flamebate active camwhores. but its acctualy their problem, in a few years they will regret it for sure |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:17PM | View ANGRY HOBO's Profile | # | ||||||
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ANGRY HOBO Posted:
Yeah they will and it’ll be awesome. |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:19PM | View Fingerz's Profile | # | ||||||
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Not until they try to get a real job and their employer finds it. Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:19PM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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ANGRY HOBO Posted:
http://www.uselessgraphics.com/Elvisab.gif
QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!! MOD EDIT: User banned for posting allcaps in GD. MercWithMouth was banned for this post by Nicco MercWithMouth edited this message on 07/23/2009 2:25PM |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:21PM | View MercWithMouth's Profile | # | ||||||
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:26PM | View ANGRY HOBO's Profile | # | ||||||
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MercWithMouth Posted:
Why do you keep posting dumb pics in GD? |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:30PM | View 1337xxxxxxxxxlol...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:
i reported for the full bold caps, we are still in GD and this thread is acctualy about this kind of rulles, and untill they are abolished I will follow them |
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Posted On: 04/16/2009 12:31PM | View ANGRY HOBO's Profile | # | ||||||