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Poll CP vs. CP

Fingerz

Avatar: 22863 2010-11-15 01:15:51 -0500
16

[7 VIBRATING DOLDOES]

Level 35 Emo Kid

A neverhasbeen

ANGRY HOBO Posted:

I must remind you all that picture was posted when Patch had his pictures with the hand on his panties, and he never got banned for that.

I miss Patch Log in to see images!

Jalapeno Boo-
tyhole

MODERATOR
Avatar: 44 2012-11-06 12:31:55 -0500

[Crotch Zombie]

Level 44 Emo Kid

Happy fifth anniversary, Forumwarz! :pumpaul:

Guys, this is obviously a serious issue for us, because it involves the law. The “selective modding” issue, which I believe is a misnomer, is really tertiary when it comes to this.

As we’ve stressed many times before, mods and admins are bound to disagree on some judgment calls. That’s unavoidable. Now, I personally didn’t get a chance to weigh in on either picture, but if it were strictly up to me, I’d tend to err on the side of caution. That is, remove the picture and ban the poster in order to send a message.

Posting controversial and legally ambiguous material just to test our mettle is dumb and pointless. You could hypothetically post nothing but quasi-loli pictures 24 hours a day if you really wanted to watch us admins jump through hoops. Hilarious as that may be, it’s not our area of expertise and it’s not what we’re here to do. So after a while it becomes prudent to just start banning for it, even at the risk of ticking off some players.

Onto the copyright issue: We’ve done everything we can to ensure that we’re on the right side of the law when it comes to copyright. Very few sites in our arena are nearly as diligent as we have been when it comes to this.

With itembuildr, we insist that all uploaders promise that they have the right to use the image in question. This has proven less than reliable, unfortunately. So far, we’ve “quarantined” user-uploaded content from the rest of our site and we aim to clearly delineate it as such until we can find a way to sort it all out. As for INCIT, we’re using Creative Commons images through flickr’s API and giving a credit/link back to the original work, which is all they ask for. This is off-topic, so we can discuss in further detail in a different thread or TMs if you’re concerned.

Jalapeno Bootyhole edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:26AM

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

Just to let you know: Hobo’s ban was indeed done by a mod (me), but only after I consulted with someone who might go to jail. ET said to ban.

This isn’t a judgment call over something which doesn’t have legal ramifications, like the judgment calls we make on shock pics. So I left, and will continue to leave, those decisions to the people who could be affected by them. They’re not legal experts, so they err on the side of caution.

If YOU aren’t a legal expert on what constitutes child pornography in Canada, then your opinion doesn’t matter, because it’s just an opinion. Three hundred non-experts can say it’s okay, but that means nothing in the eyes of the law. So the poll is meaningless, and no amount of discussion should have any bearing on their decisions regarding this matter.

EDIT: Ninja’d by JB!

MC Banhammer edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:28AM

Wylin

Avatar: 19712 Thu Mar 26 21:15:20 -0400 2009
33

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Troll

Causing Jealousy On The Internet On A Daily Basis.

Jalapeno Bootyhole Posted:

Now, I personally didn’t get a chance to weigh in on either picture, but if it were strictly up to me, I’d tend to err on the side of caution.

Both pictures are still there via link. Mine wasn’t child-porn at all, it was a funny kid doing something stupid. If there are some sicko’s who fap to pictures of kids, that’s just gross.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
36

[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

Wylin Posted:

Both pictures are still there via link.

Hobo’s is still there in the Closet of Shame. I think (but can’t remember for sure) that ET thought that was sufficient.

CrinkzPipe

Avatar: 35643 2011-12-11 17:25:30 -0500
8

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 61 Emo Kid

Hi, I'm an adult whos into anime. ALSO male reproductive organS!

Wylin Posted:

Both pictures are still there via link. Mine wasn’t child-porn at all, it was a funny kid doing something stupid. If there are some sicko’s who fap to pictures of kids, that’s just gross.

all Angry hobos was, was a stick figure. If there are some sicko’s who fap to picture of stick figures with signs saying they are under 18, that’s just gross.

Jalapeno Boo-
tyhole

MODERATOR
Avatar: 44 2012-11-06 12:31:55 -0500

[Crotch Zombie]

Level 44 Emo Kid

Happy fifth anniversary, Forumwarz! :pumpaul:

Wylin Posted:

Both pictures are still there via link. Mine wasn’t child-porn at all, it was a funny kid doing something stupid. If there are some sicko’s who fap to pictures of kids, that’s just gross.

The links remain so that people will understand why it was taken away. I’m okay with that. I know yours technically might not have counted as CP, but it’s still way too close for comfort in my opinion. Do not want.

Jalapeno Bootyhole edited this message on 04/16/2009 11:37AM

Wylin

Avatar: 19712 Thu Mar 26 21:15:20 -0400 2009
33

[Brainfreeze]

Level 69 Troll

Causing Jealousy On The Internet On A Daily Basis.

CrinkzPipe Posted:

all Angry hobos was, was a stick figure. If there are some sicko’s who fap to picture of stick figures with signs saying they are under 18, that’s just gross.

oh, I didn’t really think either was bad, but he was trying to get close to the line, and I was just posting a funny pic of a stupid kid.

Fingerz

Avatar: 22863 2010-11-15 01:15:51 -0500
16

[7 VIBRATING DOLDOES]

Level 35 Emo Kid

A neverhasbeen

Wylin Posted:

oh, I didn’t really think either was bad, but he was trying to get close to the line, and I was just posting a funny pic of a stupid kid.

THis.

Also, Wylin’s pic was not posted in a thread titled “OMG LOOK IT’S SOME CP!!” (or something to that effect) whereas AH’s was. So seriously you guys should just drop this silly argument over an incident which occurred months ago. You wanna tell CZ “**** YOU”? Guess what’s gonna happen?

MercWithMouth

Avatar: 150029 2009-09-15 13:35:36 -0400
17

[WeChall]

Level 35 Hacker

Verbose and long-winded as always

MC Banhammer Posted:

Just to let you know: Hobo’s ban was indeed done by a mod (me), but only after I consulted with someone who might go to jail. ET said to ban.

This isn’t a judgment call over something which doesn’t have legal ramifications, like the judgment calls we make on shock pics. So I left, and will continue to leave, those decisions to the people who could be affected by them. They’re not legal experts, so they err on the side of caution.

If YOU aren’t a legal expert on what constitutes child pornography in Canada, then your opinion doesn’t matter, because it’s just an opinion. Three hundred non-experts can say it’s okay, but that means nothing in the eyes of the law. So the poll is meaningless, and no amount of discussion should have any bearing on their decisions regarding this matter.

EDIT: Ninja’d by JB!

This is actually a very fuzzy area of the law that is under constant change.

(Note that I said ‘under constant change’, not ‘under constant development.’ )

So much so… That, as legal relations go, the opinions of NON-experts matter more than you might think, and the opinions of ACTUAL-experts matter less than you might think — and the ratio would vary considerably from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Even so… With my law degree as my soapbox, I’ll say this.

FW Z hasn’t anything to worry about.

Even that picture that Wylin posted — a douche-move on his part — won’t have legal ramifications in any but the most warped courtrooms. (PRO-TIP: The judge and the district-attorney you get, and on what day, can have a large impact on the outcome of any given set of legal cirgreat timesstances.)

As for drawing the line… I have a suggestion.

http://www.filesavr.com/welcometoforumwarz

Most everyone’s seen that by now. I tend to unleash it on the new players for a quick laugh and pretty much every time I do, the newcomer gets a good chuckle and does feel welcomed.

Anyway, my suggestion is that the picture embedded in my link above? As a general matter, embrace it as one — possibly as many two — notches below what should be axed-on-sight. It’s a fuzzy guideline of course, but I think in practice it would work out well.

Even content that does go two or three more notches above that would not entail legal ramifications.

Above that level, I won’t say.

Profuse discussion aside, I think the Mod-team did a good job handling this ultimately. Log in to see images!

ANGRY HOBO

Avatar: 49150 Tue Aug 11 01:43:48 -0400 2009
1

Level 28 Emo Kid

lmbo i gave this account and now its full of people :D bye all this game is ****....................

my picture was not even sexualized. I see real photos of forumwarz featuring people UNDER 18 with SEXUALIZED PHOTOS.

CrinkzPipe

Avatar: 35643 2011-12-11 17:25:30 -0500
8

[Harem and Sushi Bar]

Level 61 Emo Kid

Hi, I'm an adult whos into anime. ALSO male reproductive organS!

ANGRY HOBO Posted:

my picture was not even sexualized. I see real photos of forumwarz featuring people UNDER 18 with SEXUALIZED PHOTOS.

coughcontextcoughcough

Princezz_Und-
ies

Avatar: 121015 Mon Jan 19 16:50:27 -0500 2009
4

Level 35 Troll

She's so mean that instead of using deodorant she gargles disinfectant and licks her armpits

also coughbronnihcough, and every other underage ‘camwhore’.

edit: but, as long as we, as a community find jokes about cp funny (see itembuildr, that new childhood trauma forum, etc), what do we expect? this whole issue is filled with hypocrisy in my opinion; it could be that we don’t take these things seriously and that’s why we find them funny, but then we can’t expect that someone will be able to find where is the line between serious, not intended, but serious and not serious issues.

Princezz_Undies edited this message on 04/16/2009 12:19PM

ANGRY HOBO

Avatar: 49150 Tue Aug 11 01:43:48 -0400 2009
1

Level 28 Emo Kid

lmbo i gave this account and now its full of people :D bye all this game is ****....................

Princezz_Undies Posted:

also coughbronnihcough, and every other underage ‘camwhore’.

thats almost the whole flamebate active camwhores. but its acctualy their problem, in a few years they will regret it for sure

Fingerz

Avatar: 22863 2010-11-15 01:15:51 -0500
16

[7 VIBRATING DOLDOES]

Level 35 Emo Kid

A neverhasbeen

ANGRY HOBO Posted:

thats almost the whole flamebate active camwhores. but its acctualy their problem, in a few years they will regret it for sure

Yeah they will and it’ll be awesome.

Not until they try to get a real job and their employer finds it. Log in to see images!

MercWithMouth

Avatar: 150029 2009-09-15 13:35:36 -0400
17

[WeChall]

Level 35 Hacker

Verbose and long-winded as always

ANGRY HOBO Posted:

thats almost the whole flamebate active camwhores. but its acctualy their problem, in a few years they will regret it for sure

http://www.uselessgraphics.com/Elvisab.gif

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!

MOD EDIT: User banned for posting allcaps in GD.

MercWithMouth was banned for this post by Nicco

MercWithMouth edited this message on 07/23/2009 2:25PM

ANGRY HOBO

Avatar: 49150 Tue Aug 11 01:43:48 -0400 2009
1

Level 28 Emo Kid

lmbo i gave this account and now its full of people :D bye all this game is ****....................

1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:

Not until they try to get a real job and their employer finds it. Log in to see images!

or when people digg out their home adress and send their families post cards with those pictures. but hey, they know whats best… oh wait they are underaged and according to the law they dont.

MercWithMouth Posted:

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!

Why do you keep posting dumb pics in GD?

ANGRY HOBO

Avatar: 49150 Tue Aug 11 01:43:48 -0400 2009
1

Level 28 Emo Kid

lmbo i gave this account and now its full of people :D bye all this game is ****....................

1337xxxlolololxxx1337 Posted:

Why do you keep posting dumb pics in GD?

i reported for the full bold caps, we are still in GD and this thread is acctualy about this kind of rulles, and untill they are abolished I will follow them

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