Black Dragon Posted:

Having seen you play before, I’m betting you’re going to stay at the table.

Probably yes, but this game really brings out the emo in me Log in to see images!

quangntenemy Posted:

I kinda anticipated it so no damage here.

It’s always good to keep an eye on what’s happening in Canada Log in to see images!

I *should* have anticipated it given their track record, but the clock change just wasn’t on my radar since we don’t see it until the end of this month in the majority of Europe. I don’t really follow goings on in Canada, as a habit. Maybe I should. Canada is a p. interesting place, right?

Canada

UK

All the clock changes in the first half of 2009

Shii Posted:

Maybe we should start having rollover times change every night too, “just to make it fair.” You don’t hear Americans whining about not being able to utilize the 16-visit raid.

Wasn’t there a complaint about the rollover time for Forumbuildr?

Shii Posted:

This.

Keep in mind, for all your whining about “missing visits” most players in America can’t even take advantage of the 16-visit rollover, since it happens at 5-6 am for us here.

It seems like all the European and foreign players **** and moan about domination time end and forumbuildr end, but when it comes to other advantages like getting to have a 16-visit solo raid, shoot, they don’t mind a bit.

Maybe we should start having rollover times change every night too, “just to make it fair.” You don’t hear Americans whining about not being able to utilize the 16-visit raid.

I lost visits because the interface provided incorrect information. Whatever tactics I was using was irrelevant. Perhaps I was just intending to use a spare 4 visits before rollover, and raid later? Should I have done that on a US timescale, just for you? Or perhaps I should have used those visits when *I* was available to play the game. Which happened to be late morning, UK time, since I was busy yesterday.

Also, there’s some difference between seeking a small advantage mid week, and being prevented from taking part in a game at all. Such subtle distinctions are lost on you it seems, though.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

Also, you realise you’re trying to say it’s fair that players from Europe are disadvantaged through bugs, because they’re also disadvantaged through the time dom ends. Right? Or perhaps you didn’t actually read what you quoted, when you agreed with it?

Those are two separate issues.

Bugs affect all players equally, unless the bugs are only encountered through a specific set of cirgreat timesstances that only a specific set of players encounter.

Time Zone advantages/disadvantages are going to always exist. I’ve noticed that the least amount of server lag is very late at night over here (after about Midnight Eastern time until about 7 a.m.) That’s a non-primne time for U.S. players, but a prime time for European users. The site runs more smoothly for you during your ‘peak time’ than for ours.

No matter how you look at it, there will always be pros/cons. It’s up to you, as the individual user, to make the best of your particular situation.

And since this is a game based in the Western Hemisphere, that means everyone in the Eastern Hemisphere is expected to adapt as needed. It’s no different than demanding that a game based out of Japan, written entirely in Japanese for Japanese players, must have an English translation.

Simply play the game as designed. The fact that the time zone difference creates an additional challenge on your part is simply a fact of life.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

The specific set of players being, the ones who bumumed that the interface was providing accurate information regarding rollover time, and had visits to use near then. Irrespective of what timezone they’re in.

And they had to have 9+ visits saved up for it to matter.

Anyone with 8 or fewer visits had nothing negative happen here.

There are two types of players that have 9+ visits saved up that close to rollover.

1. Non-active or low-activity players/alts. These players/alts may have even missed dozens of rollovers already. Two of my alts have been sitting on 12 visits for over a week now.

2. Highly competitive players that are trying to maximize their competitive edge.

The only valid complaints, in this situation, would come from group 2.

And while I agree that the inconsistency between displayed time of rollover and actual rollover was detrimental, I don’t believe that’s an implication that the entire system is irrevocably flawed and needs to be scrapped.

I honestly don’t know if you guys are trying to make excuses for a buggy game (which is the issue here) or if you’re using the thread to have a go at any Europeans who play this game, which would amount to misdirection and muddying the water at least, or trolling

Neither.

There are obviously bugs in this game, like any other. And we all know that this game is unfinished and we’re all unpaid beta-testers. And if you are choosing to engage in a highly competitive aspect of the game, knowing that there are unknown bugs out there, then that is an bumumed risk. Any random factor can cause a disturbance in your gameplan.

That’s just the nature of playing at that level in an unfinished game.

I’m reminded of some videogame speedrun challenges, and the fact that taking the time to save a game can cause a delay which increases your overall time. So one tactic is to not save at all and run through at top speed.

But if you run into a glitch or a power outage, you just lost all of that progress.

You took an bumumed risk, with all the advantages and disadvantages that entails.

If we can talk in specifics, can you tell us what your intended purpose of saving so many visits was? Were you going for a 16 visit Vanilla run?

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

Muddying the water then, unless you’re just asking out of curiosity.

I don’t see how asking for you to clarify how it causes a problem for you to be muddying the water.

FWIW, the answer is, I hadn’t decided. FW is a game of chicken – the advantage goes to the player who gets their scoops last (and therefore protects them best) So running a 16 visit raid when the scoop count is low is actually a tactical error, you’ll just lose them all again.

I now understand exactly why this caused such a problem for you.

The bug should be fixed, agreed. However, the severity of the impact on your gameplay was more a factor of your style of gameplay than the bug itself.

Additionally, this demonstrates an advantage for European players. Playing chicken at 4 to 7 a.m. for the U.S. players is not a realistic possibility, except for the most hard-core players. But if that’s late afternoon for you guys across the pond, that’s a much more viable option for you.

Like I said, there’s pros & cons all around, and we each have to adjust our play-style to our situations.

That being said, I’m looking forward to a technical explanation from CZ & ET as to how the two timers were out of synch.

You’ve presented a strong and valid argument. I fully support you receiving 4 replacement visits.

And if my opinion mattered to anyone at CZ, then this comment would have some value.

As it stands, I wonder if we should start a betting pool about the answer we’ll receive regarding this glitch? Log in to see images!

Acid Flux Posted:

As it stands, I wonder if we should start a betting pool about the answer we’ll receive regarding this glitch? Log in to see images!

I’ll go on the record for a “sorry the timer wasn’t right” and nothing else.

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