Dirt_E_ATM Posted:

Out of curiosity, who is successfully completing speedrun jobs regularly? And what clbum(es) are you using to do so?

I do. As me. Making sure I only take them on forums of a lower level than I am.

Evil Trout Posted:

Additionally, we are going to be using a different metric for speedrunning, something like turns used instead of time.

I suggest that you do balance test on that thing first. I have a strong feeling if you do it this way we’ll see lemon scoops distributed like this for level 3x forums:

3 scoops: good speedrunners with pink floyd

2 scoops: average speedrunners with pink floyd

1 scoop: crappy speedrunners with pink floyd

Not that I disagree at all with ‘camwhores underpowered’ conclusion…

But it’s way better to compare in full upgrade points. You’re sidesliding that you could take those points you’re getting in cha and ‘not’ upgrade them, instead spending the points you would spend in offense.

All stats can be compared pretty fairly by valuing them at their highest upgrade cost. Which yes, gives trolls a fantastic starter package since they get effectively 24 upgrade points each time for free.

I forget what cha is worth. I think it ends up a 3/point. Might be 2 per point in which case this is high. Both my clbumes can’t buy it actually.

Converting to points, that equipment is closer to 38 (red strap ons) + 49 (corset) + 18x4 (starter pack). This puts camwhores equipment+starter pack contributing around 159 upgrade points. A good deal less than trolls 231 and not even half of hacker’s 410.

KindFearlessLeader Posted:

Not that I disagree at all with ‘camwhores underpowered’ conclusion…

But it’s way better to compare in full upgrade points. You’re sidesliding that you could take those points you’re getting in cha and ‘not’ upgrade them, instead spending the points you would spend in offense.

You can’t upgrade cha. Even if you COULD, the cha cap seems to be around 20 cha. Since EVERY clbum can get +20cha for rollover with a few common and cheap .moar files, and cha has absolutely zero effect on combat, it’s a total non-issue.

KindFearlessLeader Posted:

Converting to points, that equipment is closer to 38 (red strap ons) + 49 (corset) + 18x4 (starter pack). This puts camwhores equipment+starter pack contributing around 159 upgrade points. A good deal less than trolls 231 and not even half of hacker’s 410.

Charisma can’t be upgraded, and is currently pretty much useless. Also, your logic kinda presumes that people WANT the stat they’re given. Emokids actually complain about the defense their equipment gives, since it makes them takes them longer to get to full strength.

Even if you COULD put points into it, I wouldn’t bother.

Anyway, luck is 1 point per point, so by your math the camwhore EQ and starter packs would give 75 upgrade points worth of stats.

Stats aren’t the only factor here, but yea, like I said, underpowered.

It’s somewhere around there. If I max-out my cha with items (It’s 66 now in my CC/ESFE build, for refference) and hit the top 4 cred-giving forums then don’t get noticeably more from deliveries than if I intentionally tank my cha down to about 25. The luck cap seems to be closer to 50ish, but THAT also affects .moar drops. :/

Of course, I could also hit the apparent delivery limit by pwning crappier forums. I think things are just capped low all around.

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Balance improvements:

Hacker:

1: Make starter kit provide Egomania instead of Ego.

Camwhore:

1: Add Ep2 shoes to increase off/def.

2: Have charisma boost healing abilities (But not items) the same way that offense boosts attack power.

3: Reduce cooldown on It’s Playtime! to 1 round.

4: Increase Fetish Pics base damage to 250, increase Hand Bra base damage to 225.

Emokid:

1: Reduce defense bonus on tattoos and piercings, replace with ego or egomania.

Trolls:

1: Reduce base damage for Political Flamebait to 215. Reduce base damage for Shock Sites to 200. Reduce damage range for Post Personal Information from 150-180 to 130-160.

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Anybody have any opinions on these proposed changes?

SimplyTHEBEST Posted:

Anybody have any opinions on these proposed changes?

Yeah, egomania gives you ego. So I don’t know why you keep saying either/or.

Also, I pretty much disagree with everything else. Especially the emo starter pack thing.

scullyangel Posted:

It doesn’t have a huge impact on Domination, the difference is 15 – 36 lemon scoops per week. It’s terribly annoying for the job board. I’ve been slogging away at the job board for awhile now (I’ll finally hit the 1800 peen this week), but I would have been able to finish as much as 3 weeks sooner had I been able to always select a 5 point job. Will that situation impact many players? No.

That’s one of things that kind of bothered me. Half the jobs available have times that are completely impractical. I don’t know if that’s any different for some other clbumes, but it just makes the ones there seem a bit pointless.

Otherwise, since I don’t really care about Domination much, it doesn’t matter a lot to me. None of the Forums are impossible to pwn. The game’s biggest problem is that is needs more multiplayer options. The process of pwning Forums seems like a neccessary evil for most.

I understand that things do need to be balanced, but here’s the thing.

If you balance the clbumes too much, it won’t matter which clbum you are, because you’d be doing the same exact thing in the end.

That’s all I can really say. We need clbumes that aren’t overpowering one another, yes, but the clbumes do need to be diverse.

Possibly a Cabbage Posted:

Especially since if you run into the problem where “everybody is overpowered” that’s definitely solvable by “making harder forums.” Make a forum with the damage output of Cosplay, the pwnage of Engrish, and the number of threads of Praypal and suddenly nobody is overpowered anymore.

This. I want a harder forum.

Kilroy Posted:

I understand that things do need to be balanced, but here’s the thing.

If you balance the clbumes too much, it won’t matter which clbum you are, because you’d be doing the same exact thing in the end.

That’s all I can really say. We need clbumes that aren’t overpowering one another, yes, but the clbumes do need to be diverse.

The overall effectiveness of non-challenge clbumes should be as close to equal as possible. The diversity should lie in how you play them. Emos are a good example of this. “Too balanced” in effectiveness doesn’t exist.

Possibly a Cabbage Posted:

This is an important point. All things being equal, nerfs are fairly discouraging, while buffing something, even something you never use or can’t use, never really ****es anybody off.

“Man, you made trolls suck now” is something that’s going to annoy people.

“Camwhores, Emos, and Hackers are a lot better now, but trolls are still really good” isn’t going to annoy anybody.

Especially since if you run into the problem where “everybody is overpowered” that’s definitely solvable by “making harder forums.” Make a forum with the damage output of Cosplay, the pwnage of Engrish, and the number of threads of Praypal and suddenly nobody is overpowered anymore.

I agree. I wonder how much attention CZ is paying to balance.