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Rant Statute of Limitations on Temp Bans

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
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[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

Okay, I got my first temp ban last night for trolling a non-RP forum. My fault for not paying attention to which thread I was posting in, the mod was right, good call on that.

My problem? I got banned on Wednesday for something I did on Sunday.

Now, if it had been something big, I’d understand. CP, personal info, etc. should get the ban as soon as mods see it. For something like this, though, I think there should be a limit on how long it can be between the original violation and the ban. In my mind, it’s the equivalent of getting pulled over and getting a ticket for that illegal U-turn you made last week.

Thoughts? (I’d especially like mod/ET input on this. I respect your work and your experience, and I’d like to see the other side to this, if there is one.)

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

We can’t always get to things as soon as they happen; we have lives, you know, and this isn’t exactly a paid gig. So sometimes there’s a delay.

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
39

[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

MC Banhammer Posted:

We can’t always get to things as soon as they happen; we have lives, you know, and this isn’t exactly a paid gig. So sometimes there’s a delay.

Understood. With that in mind, IS there any sort of limit? Could someone, say, get temp-banned for a post from a month ago?

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

No real hard and fast rules. My policy has been to look at their history as best I can, and try to figure it out.

But we usually don’t leave open reports stay out there that long. A week, maybe, at the most, give or take.

Note that’s on temp bans. If we find an old post which deserves a permaban, we’re likely issue it.

elenaratelim-
it

Avatar: 24791 2010-03-21 18:12:06 -0400
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[Team Shortbus]

Level 44 Troll

chica bonita

I agree with the OP, If it didn’t cause any major uproar or was a big deal I don’t see the point in temp banning someone days later for something no one cares about based on a technicality. But I know the modadmins won’t agree there.

TUBSWEETIE

Avatar: 3450 2011-07-31 00:45:06 -0400
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[And The Banned Pla-
yed On
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Level 37 Troll

MY MEMORY IS THAT OF A SMALL GRAPE

Log in to see images! TUBSWEETIE edited this message on 09/20/2011 2:23AM

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

Trying to create drama to drum up the ratings by any means necessary!

elenaratelimit Posted:

I don’t see the point in temp banning someone days later for something no one cares about

Someone cared about it, or it wouldn’t have been reported.

elenaratelim-
it

Avatar: 24791 2010-03-21 18:12:06 -0400
17

[Team Shortbus]

Level 44 Troll

chica bonita

MC Banhammer Posted:

Someone cared about it, or it wouldn’t have been reported.

ok but what if it wasn’t reported and that’s why it wasn’t noticed (is what I meant)

anyway I just sometimes think people are being harmless and you just have to see the thread in context idk

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
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[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

OrsonScottCard Posted:

My fault for not paying attention to which thread I was posting in, the mod was right, good call on that.

Let’s not make this a thread about what deserves a temp ban. I’ll concede I deserved one, even though it was an accidental violation.

MC Banhammer Posted:

No real hard and fast rules. My policy has been to look at their history as best I can, and try to figure it out.

But we usually don’t leave open reports stay out there that long. A week, maybe, at the most, give or take.

That seems perfectly reasonable, and thank you for clarifying.

MC Banhammer Posted:

Note that’s on temp bans. If we find an old post which deserves a permaban, we’re likely issue it.

Completely agreed.

Thanks to MC Banhammer and Tubsweetie for helping to clarify this. You both get gold stars for the day.

Doctor Whom

Avatar: 90155 Sun Nov 23 20:45:54 -0500 2008
5

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Hacker

“43 4f 44 45 20 4d 41 53 54 45 52”

MC Banhammer Posted:

Someone cared about it, or it wouldn’t have been reported.

And every report you receive carries a legitimate complaint?

I don’t see the logic here.

If it’s more than 72 hours, and not a major offense, then anything more than a warning is pointless. Minor disciplinary actions, to be effective, have to be time-contextual. Otherwise, it’s simply Banning for the sake of Banning.

Combine the lack of any ‘hard & fast’ guidelines for how long is too long after a minor offense with the ‘rules not really set in stone’, and it’s a wonder that more people don’t get tempbanned.

But that’s just my $0.02.

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
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[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

Doctor Whom Posted:

And every report you receive carries a legitimate complaint?

I don’t see the logic here.

If it’s more than 72 hours, and not a major offense, then anything more than a warning is pointless. Minor disciplinary actions, to be effective, have to be time-contextual. Otherwise, it’s simply Banning for the sake of Banning.

Combine the lack of any ‘hard & fast’ guidelines for how long is too long after a minor offense with the ‘rules not really set in stone’, and it’s a wonder that more people don’t get tempbanned.

But that’s just my $0.02.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Banhammer was saying they LOOKED at it because there was a complaint, saw the complaint WAS legit (which I’ve already said twice now), and then took action.

twas

Avatar: 40896 2011-11-01 00:47:59 -0400
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[fine upstanding member of society]

Level 35 Troll

Wher Have My Poor Imaginary Wife and Child Gone

OrsonScottCard Posted:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Banhammer was saying they LOOKED at it because there was a complaint, saw the complaint WAS legit (which I’ve already said twice now), and then took action.

Yeah, but I saw them ban someone nearly a month after the offending post was made.

TUBSWEETIE

Avatar: 3450 2011-07-31 00:45:06 -0400
28

[And The Banned Pla-
yed On
]

Level 37 Troll

MY MEMORY IS THAT OF A SMALL GRAPE

was Posted:

Yeah, but I saw them ban someone nearly a month after the offending post was made.

Link please? That sounds dumb and i hope i wasn’t me D:

Doctor Whom

Avatar: 90155 Sun Nov 23 20:45:54 -0500 2008
5

[Country Kitchen an-
d Flea Market
]

Level 35 Hacker

“43 4f 44 45 20 4d 41 53 54 45 52”

OrsonScottCard Posted:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Banhammer was saying they LOOKED at it because there was a complaint, saw the complaint WAS legit (which I’ve already said twice now), and then took action.

I meant that, in general, just because someone reports something doesn’t mean it’s actually banworthy. McBan seemed to be suggesting that ‘someone caring enough to report it’ was significant validation of it as a complaint. I wasn’t speaking to your specific situation.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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[Good Omens]

Level 69 Troll

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Doctor Whom Posted:

I meant that, in general, just because someone reports something doesn’t mean it’s actually banworthy. McBan seemed to be suggesting that ‘someone caring enough to report it’ was significant validation of it as a complaint.

In no way is everything reported actionable. Some people report anything they personally think is inappropriate, when it’s not against board rules.

OrsonScottCa-
rd

Avatar: 104768 2015-08-05 14:57:49 -0400
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[Forumwarz Speakeasy]

Level 69 Hacker

Why do I keep coming back here

was Posted:

Yeah, but I saw them ban someone nearly a month after the offending post was made.

This almost sounds like the ForumWarz equivalent of an urban legend.

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