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EDIT: After some consideration, my viewpoint on the topic has changed slightly. Please see page 4, post 2,3 for more details.
Original Post: Capital punishment is being removed from certain areas.
Criminals who commit crimes that bad should not deserve to live. These criminals are a danger to society. Instead of throwing them in jail for life, giving them a chance of leaving eventually, it is much easier to simply terminate their lives. These criminals are a danger to society. If they are granted the right to leave from the jail, there is nothing preventing them from committing horrible crimes for a second time. The criminal is forced to be in his jail cell, living off of the tax dollars of the area’s residents. Why should people pay for the well-being of a criminal who poses a significant threat to them? If the person has chosen to commit such terrible crimes, he / she has already decided to throw away his / her life by doing so. If the person has already sentenced himself / herself in this way, why should the criminal be allowed to live after his crime has been committed?
Criminals that are committing horrendous crimes should not be subjected to a life sentence in jail. A cursory death sentence is infinitely quicker and more effective. If the criminal is put in jail, he / she will be surrounded by more criminals for a long time. This means that the criminal has virtually no chance to recover and change his ways. Since the criminal is constantly around other criminals, he does not have a good influence to set him straight. Consequently, the idea that a criminal can be fixed by jail time is spurious.
Thus, lifetime jail sentences are ineffectual, costly, dangerous, and inhumane. Capital punishment eliminates these 4 problems by terminating the problem instantaneously. Why should such an effective method be banned? ghax edited this message on 12/07/2008 7:03PM |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:51PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
Who would WANT criminals running around causing problems again?
EDIT: don’t we have enough of those in our government? ghax edited this message on 12/07/2008 5:52PM |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:52PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
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Capital punishment is more expensive because of the precautions required (extra trials, chemicals, etc) It also deprives an innocent individual of presenting his/her case after death. What’s more, it’s been proven to be an equally effective deterrent when compared with Life in Prison. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:53PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
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generichaxor Posted: Government itself is a criminal organization.
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:56PM | View OverclockedJesus...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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generichaxor Posted:
So if we remove capital punishment, we’re also allowing the criminals who were spared life to run around and cause problems, as opposed to being locked in jail for life? |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:56PM | View Endedrural's Profile | # | ||||||
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because people believe in God. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:56PM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
DarkDespair5 Posted:
First off, a lifetime term is more costly to taxpayers, as they need to be fed, clothed, housed, and supervised year after year. The money spent on appeals, the few years on death row, and the 10 cc of rat poison goes nowhere near this. Secondly, these people are not innocent, and shouldnt get to do **** except die. And i would say that death is the ultimate deterrent. Tbh if it were up to me, as soon as they were announced guilty they would be taken to the back of the courthouse, shot in the face, then dumped into a mbum grave. NOW THAT would save some tax dollars and make the world a better place. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:59PM | View Arbiter's Profile | # | ||||||
DarkDespair5 Posted:
If ur an innocent individual, then ur not a criminal. Thus, ur not going to get a life imprisonment or a death sentence. (unless the prosecution got a very good lawyer)
People thrown in jail for life still have the chance of getting out eventually. Then they can return to society and wreak havoc.
Letting hardcore criminals loose does not seem like a good way to improve life for anyone. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:59PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
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Did you know that in Iran they execute juveniles too? |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 5:59PM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
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Arbiter Posted:
Seems odd right? I thought it would be more expensive at first too. Also, innocent people HAVE been killed wrongly.
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:01PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
Endedrural Posted:
Dead criminals don’t cause problems. Living criminals are problems because they can commit more crimes if ever released back into society. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:01PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
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generichaxor Posted:
They won’t be released if they are locked up for life. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:02PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
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So like I wonder why they didn’t kill Magneto when they captured him, instead giving him the chance to escape. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:03PM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||
Inertia Posted:
what does ur so-called god have to do with criminals? if god existed (feel free to argue about that at http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/19525) then he would want ppl not to be criminals. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:04PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
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Isn’t the death penalty cheaper than life in prison?
No. It costs a great deal more. “Elimination of the death penalty [in California] would result in a net savings to the state of at least tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis.” (Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, 09/9/99) Total cost of death penalty is 38% greater than total cost of life without parole sentences. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, January 10, 2002) Since its return to New York in 1995, $160 million has been spent. The New York Daily News estimates that before the first execution takes place, $238 million will be spent. In addition to the funds required to try death penalty cases, the New York Department of Correctional Services spent $1.3 million to construct New York’s 12-inmate death row and pays nearly $300,000 per year to guard the unit. (New York Law Journal, April 30, 2002)”
From the site. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:05PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
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Inertia Posted:
Good luck escaping Max Sec prison.
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:05PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
DarkDespair5 Posted:
there have been people that have been released from jail
also, what if the criminal breaks out of jail by any chance? i dont care how improbable that is, it still could happen
if the criminal is dead, neither of those is a risk. if the criminal is released, he / she will immediately resume his previous life, causing pain, misery and havoc |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:09PM | View ghax's Profile | # | ||||||
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There are experimental prisons that are operating in the United States today that use a method other than shoving criminals into cells and executing them at set dates. These prisons are actually more like a criminal rehabilitation center, by placing all of the inmates in one giant, expansive room, removing all individual cells. In these prisons, all of the inmates are actually given daily therapy sessions, activities to relieve tension and aggressive tendacies, and are given bumistance in job placement when the criminals are finally released.
After these experimental prisons were started, the prisoners became calmer and less agressive, compared to those who are just shoved in a small cell with little interaction between other inmates. The daily therapy sessions that the experimental prison inmates were given has had a huge impact on their lives, dramatically decreasing the chances of a return to a life of crime.
tl;dr: With proper therapy and counseling, criminals can be transformed into working members of society, thus removing the need for corporal punishment. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:10PM | View Oliver Kloshoff's Profile | # | ||||||
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generichaxor Posted:
It’s more likely that an innocent is killed. Please read the website given. I’m a utilitarian. I care about removing the individuals from society and preventing further harm more than actual punishment. DarkDespair5 edited this message on 12/07/2008 6:12PM |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:10PM | View DarkDespair5's Profile | # | ||||||
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generichaxor Posted:
freewill, etc Also it has to do with the sanctity of life and God being the only one with the right to give or take away life. but Islam of course condones it. |
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Posted On: 12/07/2008 6:11PM | View Inertia's Profile | # | ||||||