OverclockedJesus Posted:

Yet that’s still a rationalization. Faith is the ultimate rationalization of belief which has no basis.

And so you object due to lack of basis? Since they can claim faith anytime, wouldn’t the burden of proof lie upon the objectors instead of the believers?

Pavilion Posted:

And so you object due to lack of basis? Since they can claim faith anytime, wouldn’t the burden of proof lie upon the objectors instead of the believers?

Not necessarily. It’s really a conflict of what’s “acceptable” or not. Where people who adhere strictly to what they were taught in philosophy 101 will cry “fallacy!”, people who have a faith will shrug. The two sides on this particular issue can’t possibly see eye to eye, and debate in this manner is pointless.

No, what we’re trying to debate here is the claim that God 100% doesn’t exist, which is exactly the same as trying to argue that God does exist, only from the other side. Whats even more ridiculous is OverclockedJesus is trying to do it within a logical framework. It’s really been very amusing to watch him dodge for 5 straight pages now, but actually looking at his argument is even better.

To summarize, saying that the notion of “God” is impossible because its very definition contradicts itself begs the question of knowing the exact definition of “God”. I’ve already demonstrated how the square circle analogy fails in this respect. Furthermore, saying that God’s definition contradicts itself completely destroys his theological noncognitive argument. Saying God’s definition is both self-contradictory and too vague to bear any meaning is, well, also devoid of any meaning.

This is why I’ve been asking, for 4 pages now, for clarification. If you want to cry and call my attempts to get you to talk “childish” and “immature” that’s your prerogative Oj. I’m sure you know that I’m the only one attempting to hold a conversation, and you’re just barrel rolling in hopes that you can still somehow cling to your bull**** long enough for people to leave.

OverclockedJesus Posted:

No. They can have all the faith they want. Point is: it’s just wishful thinking.

You seem to want to end this wishful thinking, but after 5 pages of “please end my wishful thinking” you still refuse to share. Log in to see images!

Faith in a particular God is belief in the impossible by definition.

I’m not extending the claim to the possibility of [b]any[god], but any particular version has about 1/infinty chance of being correct, i.e., zero.

DarkDespair5 Posted:

Faith in a particular God is belief in the impossible.

Would you mind listing what makes it impossible?

Pavilion Posted:

Would you mind listing what makes it impossible?

Yeah, sure.

Infinity versions of God.

The chance one is right is 1/infinity, which equals zero.

Therefore, the chance a particular God is right is zero.

How is a creation myth different from any fiction novel?.

DarkDespair5 Posted:

Yeah, sure.

Infinity versions of God.

The chance one is right is 1/infinity, which equals zero.

Therefore, the chance a particular God is right is zero.

How is a creation myth different from any fiction novel?.

Where’d this infinity come from? This is the first I’ve heard of it.

Funny how all myths speak of a creation and there’s the discovery of the Big Bang?

OverclockedJesus Posted:

*refers Pavilion to all the previous pages of this thread and the other recent god thread*

MY EYES

Prayer – proved that prayer does not make an affect, not God’s existence

“fail to detect … because God must remain hidden.” – maybe technology isn’t advanced enough or there is no scientific way to (dis)prove?

copypasta from www.godisimaginary – damned Evangelicals

“god is nothing more than a social construct set up by the government” – I call conspiracy bull

brb, still reading

DarkDespair5 Posted:

Infinity because that is how many creation myths can be spawned by the human mind. On the basis of zero evidence, these are nothing more than fictional legends. If you randomly come up with your own version of how existence came to be, would that be any more accurate than any novel?

This is why belief in a particular God is purely faith, but the existence of any God is unknowable.

Pavilion Posted:

Funny how all myths speak of a creation and there’s the discovery of the Big Bang?

Big bang != creation

Big bang = state-change

Not complete randomization, but fiction nonetheless.

Did the Greeks pull the chariot idea out of their bum? Couldn’t it be N number of different things?

The possibilities are still, indeed, infinite.

P.S. http://www.forumwarz.com/discussions/view/20502

That’s not very nice!