SimplyTHEBEST Posted:

Compare the old Second Wife to PrayPal.

Compare the new Second Wife to PrayPal.

Keep things in perspective; level 28 forums shouldn’t be many times more difficult than level 33 forums.

Does it give more cred?

SimplyTHEBEST Posted:

Now, lets take a look at how hard it is to pwn PrayPal. IIRC, PrayPal threads have between 2k and 3k pwnage. 3x that would be 6-9k pwnage. It does about 20-30 damage to me, so it would instead do 60-90 damage at the 3x modifier.

I don’t agree with this analysis. If you multiply the pwnage of the thread by three and also multiply the damage the thread does by three, you’re multiplying the damage that you take in pwning the thread by a factor of nine. Since by multiplying the pwnage of the thread by 3, you make it so that players take three times as long to pwn it, so they get hit (on average) three times as much. So if the damage you would take were unchanged, you would already be taking three times as much. But if you also triple the damage the thread deals, you are taking three times as many hits at three times the damage, and 3x3 is 9.

Increasing the pwnage or increasing the damage is both fine. But when you do both, you have to realize that the difficulty increases compound each other. So if you really want forum A to be three times as difficult as forum B, doubling the pwnage and doubling the damage dealt by forum B for forum A would be a much more reasonable way to do so, as it results in only four times as much damage taken as opposed to nine.

I could beat Zombie Armaggedon, a Lv32 Forum at Lv23, without items before the forum buffing. Now I can barely do it, but that seems about right.

meeeeeeeeee Posted:

Nothing needs nerfing. We need to leave this for a while so players can experiment with the new difficulty level. There are better ways to do things than all-out offense, and players have gotten lazy in that regard. 30 seconds on the most difficult forum, which is just as difficult as the easiest forum, is stupid. I want some forums to be difficult, because that’s where players use their skills to best effect to extract an edge.

e.g. 300 is *not* the maximum ego you can heal per turn. It’s 350, with a combination of 5HTP and Endopatch. Expensive (certainly it will cost far more than you will get in return with some clbumes) but possible. With high defence, the PC misses a reasonable % of the time, so this isn’t quite so horrible as some people paint. Players, for the first time, actually have to unlearn some bad habits (everything into offense=bad), and learn some new skills. Everything in offence and no ego upgrades is a mistake. Defence plays a bigger part. Upkeep e.g. now has a purpose. So there’s an edge to actually knowing what you’re doing, and the game is edging towards working properly. If the most difficult forums had been difficult from the outset, noone would have seen any issue with it. We’re just used to being over powerful.

Having forums which require a player to use consumables to run is reasonable. It’s up to players to determine now what the most efficient combination of forums to run are, for grinding for flezz. And, if too many items are required, that means the player has to run easier forums more often, or perhaps that the consumables are too expensive.

Grinding the most difficult forums for the best .moar files now has a built in cost. That’s as it should be, though it’s unfortunate that some players got the best equipment before these forums were buffed. That, to be blunt, is an issue with ET not getting things right before releasing episode 2 though.

Also, if this had been in place from the outset (alongside the Geronimo nerf) getting to level 35, possibly might have been an achievement. For those who get there now, it is. For those who got there before, it was a joke and a disappointment. A random peen for running the same old forums again.

The only real issues I have here are the speedrun times which should have been reset, and that these forums were buffed, and I didn’t know anything about it. We need an announcement addition to the character page when you log back in, as, obviously, announcements are not going to be seen unless players check the twitter every time they play, which would be a stupid bumumption. There wasn’t a mention in Game Discussion until a number of hours after the change took place, and that wasn’t by a staff member. So, that it was mentioned at all is better, but is not sufficient. It was also a significant enough change it should have been announced *in advance* – give players some warning so they don’t lose a visit/a streak/whatever, and have a Haxlrose available to respec if necessary. Hindsight is 20/20 but these are common sense observations IMO.

With all due respect, this all is a lot easier to say when you’re a troll. As an emo, I put a real bumload into ego. My defence isn’t bad either, so I could casually run Second Wife in about a minute with >90% of my ego intact. The changes, which happened as far as I can tell without any way for me to know unless I happened to check the forums (BAWBAWBAW) meant I went into a run (which would’ve given me a 12 streak for the first time Log in to see images!) without any drugs and got raped the **** out of on the fourth or fifth thread. Not having played a high level troll, I don’t know how it is for you guys, but I don’t think it hurts you guys as much as it did emos.

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[Edit] Also I’m not sure if my character is even financially viable any more…I’m too tired to calculate how it’ll be after a few days of having to use a few drugs to run the hardest forums, as well as upkeeping all my .moars etc.. Seems sort of very special if I’m making less money than I was at level 28 before, by running the hardest forums, in the most economical way possible.

Meth Use La edited this message on 11/30/2008 6:47AM

Well, the speed runs and jobs should give WAY more time. 90 seconds, at the absoulute minimum.

admiralcervixtor Posted:

Easy for a Level 35 to say, especially one who was able to level up before all of the forums got buffed.

I don’t understand what you mean with this statement? This character wasn’t always at the level cap and I still have alts below level 30.

Ok, cabbage, you’re right. I screwed up on my math, but the end result works out to be basically the same – SW is within tolerances for being scaled to match PrayPal on Cred per Pwnage&Damage.

UnlimitedANC Posted:

Why is Dykea one of the hardest forums in the game? It’s a stupid ****ing joke to be so epic, and it wasn’t even the first dyke-jokes forum.

Anyway, the solution to high level players being bored wasn’t “**** up all our streaks” it was “Make a new ultimate forum.” Granted, not saying that one of the buildr suggestions deserves it (Though I am happy to see Historical Revisionism nerfed and Fakebook given decent standing) but CZ can’t come up with a new one for us?

ITT: Cheap jokes aren’t allowed on FW

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ezek Posted:

Stuff

Not everyone is at the cap, though. Of course it’s easy for Level 35s who are specced.

why revert back to making things effortless though? Log in to see images!

barely clinching a win makes it a little more fun imo

ezek edited this message on 12/02/2008 10:57AM