Evil Trout Posted:

Sigh. It seems that nobody likes it when their clbumes are nerfed. I promise you the goal is to bring everyone in line with each other. Hackers had a mbumive lead, seriously.

There are many more adjustments to be made in the days ahead.

It’s entirely possible that they had a mbumive lead before the first nefs, but after those? I just can’t see why the second nerfs were needed. Sure, the hackers highest level attack is (or was) great, but with the refresh you barely ever get to use it.

Evil Trout Posted:

Sigh. It seems that nobody likes it when their clbumes are nerfed. I promise you the goal is to bring everyone in line with each other. Hackers had a mbumive lead, seriously.

There are many more adjustments to be made in the days ahead.

Now that you’re changing the attacks is it safe to bumume that there’ll be no change in deliveries and item prices?

doctormale reproductive organtor Posted:

It’s entirely possible that they had a mbumive lead before the first nefs, but after those? I just can’t see why the second nerfs were needed. Sure, the hackers highest level attack is (or was) great, but with the refresh you barely ever get to use it.

Honestly if I made a mistake I will find out soon and correct it. I need to wait a little longer for the data.

quangntenemy Posted:

Now that you’re changing the attacks is it safe to bumume that there’ll be no change in deliveries and item prices?

I think there are a few bug reports of inconsistent item prices so those will be put into line.

Beyond that, I want to adjust the stats so that charisma and such aren’t capped out anymore (or at least not until a ludicrous level).

Finally, we want to introduce some heavy flezz sinks too. Hopefully sooner rather than later!

Captain Trek Posted:

Particularly when Trolls are supposed to be the “tank” clbum of the game… Low know, low damage, high defence? Whatever happened to that?

People found out Defense isn’t worth ****?

Yeah, hackers were a bit overpowered, but this new nerf is just going too far. Our best attack in the game had its cost doubled to 10 pp per hit and its damage halved…to 100. Theres no longer any incentive to actually use the hacker attacks, as they have been nerfed so much that the top 2 used attack (avtr and ipz) are now weaker than ophelia’s bad poetry and recipes for disaster. Compared to other clbum’s attacking abilities that can go from 300-350, 100 – 200 max just seems like some math was done wrong there

Arbiter Posted:

Yeah, hackers were a bit overpowered, but this new nerf is just going too far. Our best attack in the game had its cost doubled to 10 pp per hit and its damage halved…to 100. Theres no longer any incentive to actually use the hacker attacks, as they have been nerfed so much that the top 2 used attack (avtr and ipz) are now weaker than ophelia’s bad poetry and recipes for disaster. Compared to other clbum’s attacking abilities that can go from 300-350, 100 – 200 max just seems like some math was done wrong there

You’re ignoring the refresh. Ophelia’s bad poetry takes forever to refresh.

I have not finished gathering the stats, but I have a picture of 80% of what it should be. You guys might be surprised to find that from a pure damage standpoint, camwhores and hackers and emo kids are now EVEN, closer than they’ve ever been.

This is simply based on averages pulled since yesterday. There is no math to screw up beyond that.

Trolls do about 30% more damage right now by the looks of things, so they’ll be nerfed next, but less drastically than before.

No, they’re probably even on average attack dealt per turn.

The only thing that feels really weird about hackers right now is the cost of Avtr, which feels absolutely silly in context. It does slightly more damage than bg2 and is three times the cost per move. Sure, it means we only have 2 instakillers (ipz and recipes), but that’s fine even with their refreshes since they’re still able to do that and the math of refreshes provides enough ‘avtr+x’ move to kill to do a complete circle without getting stalled.

But yeah, that’d be my suggestion on the nerf, not up the power of avtr again, but decrease the cost since as it is now, if we had to actually last a while, the best answer would be to ignore avtr entirely as a move since it has the worst efficency of level 10+ move. Right now I’m expending on forums lower leveled than me almost my entire pp count. Maybe that’s intentional, but I’d think really that ipz would be a more deserving expensive move (it instakills each time we use it) and avtr be more sensible at 5-8 at its new power level (before 10 was totally reasonable since it was a thread killer too).

If you’re not recording it, you may want to record average forums killed in one shot. This is probably a more important measure than damage at endgame since damage dealt over the lifespan of a forum is wasted, so that if every 5th move a hacker is doing 5 times the damage of a camwhore, but everything else is 1/2th, that camwhore is probably several forums further down the chain.

Note: I’d be careful about getting all the averages to be the same… It really could have the side effect of each character type feeling the same. I’d expect my hacker to feel like he’s doing more average damage than my troll and my troll to feel like he’s near invulnerable when he gets hit.

Evil Trout Posted:

You’re ignoring the refresh. Ophelia’s bad poetry takes forever to refresh.

I have not finished gathering the stats, but I have a picture of 80% of what it should be. You guys might be surprised to find that from a pure damage standpoint, camwhores and hackers and emo kids are now EVEN, closer than they’ve ever been.

This is simply based on averages pulled since yesterday. There is no math to screw up beyond that.

Trolls do about 30% more damage right now by the looks of things, so they’ll be nerfed next, but less drastically than before.

you do realise that you have to factor in defense as well i hope.

Right now defense is probably useless but later when you start making challenge forums..

Evil Trout Posted:

You’re ignoring the refresh. Ophelia’s bad poetry takes forever to refresh.

Trout, the fact that I consider RFD and OBP my second and fourth best attacks respectively DESPITE the refresh time says something about how f***ing weak my other attacks have become.

EDIT: ...Okay, what exactly do you mean you “rebalanced” Charisma for Camwhores and Hackers? Because if you lowered it, congratulations! You’ve given us YET ANOTHER UNNECESSARY F***ING NERF.

Evil Trout Posted:

Sigh. It seems that nobody likes it when their clbumes are nerfed.

Though this should be quite obvious, people HATE it when their clbum is nerfed below all the other clbumes.

If you seriously want hackers weak (I don’t know, maybe hackers hit you as a kid or something), than just buff everyone else and buff all forums.