Yea, hackers got hit with MbumIVE pp costs. (Avtr, their best skill, went from about 5 to 10 pp).

Trolls are just ridiculous now. 400 dmg, 10 douch cost, and 1 refresh? (Compare with hacker’s avtr, 190 dmg, 10 PP, 1 refresh…Log in to see images!

Vuron Posted:

Well technically the role of the camwhore has always been the healer clbum.

Not really, the camwhore has always been a quick-damage-and-heal high-flezz clbum. They hit hard for a few rounds, then spend the next few licking their wounds. The abilities allow for a trade-off from Sexiness for ego, which in Ep1 meant that they would eat through sexiness at a pretty good clip and have to boost it with items. Admittedly, the sexiness restoring items worked out to be cheaper, but the burn rate on sexiness meant that they had to spend more turns downing items to keep up. It was a strange balance, but it kept things in check.

Of course, now Camwhores get 1k+ sexiness from Eq alone, so the need to restore it kinda goes out the window entirely for now.

Prior to this latest change: When fully attack speced, I was doing almost exactly 8x the base damage of every attack. That means that Fetish pics going from 300 to 225 drops my peak damage from 2.4k to 1.8k. With hand-bra being brought down from 250 to 200, my damage potential on that drops from 2k to 1.6k.

With this round of updates, I am no longer able to make SW runs where I one-shot every thread, meaning that it’s no longer possible for me to speedrun it. Trolls, on the other hand…

ET made one critically flawed decision with this update. He’s completely forgotten how things were pre-ep2, and decided to ‘balance’ things out for end-game players who are only able to hit forums of lower levels.

ET, you seriously need to create some virtual forums for your balance-bot to run. Give it level 35, the best eq, and some decent .moar files, and set it to run through some rank 34-65 forums with a normal spread of threads, pwnage, damage, and etc…

You need to see how hard a forum each clbum can take down, how far they get in them, how hurt they get in the process, what the upkeep would be from each run, how long it would take, how many healing items they would need to consume, and etc…

This NEEDS to be done ASAP. You know as well as I do that you don’t actually need to have a finished forum for your bot to work on it. You are perfectly capable of making ****ty placeholder forums or batch-cloning/adjusting other forums for this task. Do this now so that the balance changes you make now don’t come back to bite you in the bum in the coming weeks.

Vuron Posted:

However both clbumes with full kit are going to be able to 1-hit virtually every forum so I’m not sure the nerf was as bad as people make it out to be.

I can only one-shot every other thread when offense-speced, and I actually have a decent set of .moar files.

Vuron Posted:

Emos got buffed enough that they can one hit most forums without needing to be in the emo damage penalty. That is kinda nice although it will reduce the relevancy of the emo damage bonus even more.

Yes… until we get some stronger forums, at which point Emos will pave new roads out of the broken shards of threads like the mother****ing fist of north star.

Vuron Posted:

Permanoobs get no love D:

No ****, it’s a challenge clbum.

Amasius Posted:

Exactly my point. All this “balancing” really doesn’t make sense. ET just looks at the speedrun times and adjusts the damage, but that’s stupid. The endgame is way to easy and now Emos for example deal the same damage as camwhores, maybe even more, and also have a refresh rate of 1 for their best attacks. If they now make a challange forum Emos are ridiculously overpovered when their ego goes down and the damage up.

Most stats are useless now besides offense and nobody really need consumables except Hackers at some forums (Homo, Homicide) now, because their attacks suddenly need more PP.

Yeah, this entire rebalance has no sense at all, even more because ET simply decided to break a clbum that was fine.

Bling Fling Posted:

As in we’d have different clbumes with different strengths and weaknesses, and not just different background themes to look at while we mindlessly press 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2… ad infinitum, which seems to be where we’re heading at the moment.

You should try playing as a Hacker, then you get the benefits of pressing 2, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4…. ad infinitum. It makes for a good change of pace.

Wylin Posted:

Now:

Political Flamebait:

400 attack 1 refresh

and

Shock Sites

280 attack (still 1 refresh)

whoa kinda unnecessary imo.

troll ****ing rapes now

Healbot Posted:

About damn time.

Higher base attack to offset lower natural Offense.

... which works out to be the exact same result, thus making pointless the existence of any initial difference in the first place.

Amasius Posted:

Exactly my point. All this “balancing” really doesn’t make sense. ET just looks at the speedrun times and adjusts the damage, but that’s stupid.

Says who? Man you guys jump to conclusions.

Fran Posted:

Yeah, this entire rebalance has no sense at all, even more because ET simply decided to break a clbum that was fine.

I personally think using camwhores as the baseline is a bad idea, considering they do more damage than anyone else and the game is already too easy for the end game. Shouldn’t it be balanced to be easier than that first?

Evil Trout Posted:

I personally think using camwhores as the baseline is a bad idea, considering they do more damage than anyone else and the game is already too easy for the end game. Shouldn’t it be balanced to be easier than that first?

They used to do more damage than anyone else. Now they do *half* as much damage as trolls. Who were supposed to be a defense heavy clbum, not so offense heavy. With offense at 102, I’m doing less than 2k damage on Fetish Pics while trolls are posting that they’re getting 4k damage with their best hit.

While *most* forums are small enough that camwhores can still one-shot most threads, it doesn’t make sense (from this perspective anyway) to nerf the hell out of camwhores while giving everyone significantly more damage than we had to begin with.

spacekadt Posted:

They used to do more damage than anyone else. Now they do *half* as much damage as trolls. Who were supposed to be a defense heavy clbum, not so offense heavy. With offense at 102, I’m doing less than 2k damage on Fetish Pics while trolls are posting that they’re getting 4k damage with their best hit.

While *most* forums are small enough that camwhores can still one-shot most threads, it doesn’t make sense (from this perspective anyway) to nerf the hell out of camwhores while giving everyone significantly more damage than we had to begin with.

Well I just nerfed Trolls and Hackers too! I’m using the current Camwhore as a baseline for now.