tame Posted:

Then help out your underdogs. You’ve got enough medals already.

like teaching people how to raid? we tried that.

if you are suggesting we stop competing to let people win, well wheres the fun in that? also its pretty patronizing to let people win.

Pickled male reproductive organbum Posted:

also you had more raiding clans, with 12/12/12

heck even TSB was raiding. now all the fledgling raiders are back at a disadvantage.

the no ties thing might lead to fragmentation of clans, but that will foster an uncomfortable environment, turning friends against friends. more likely people will rather retain friendships, but lose interest in the game, eventually leaving all together.

Or we’ll just end up setting up a system where people get medals one week, and none the next. a trade off, which is pretty boring.

like i said, the way to increase competitiveness is to fix seeding such that there aren’t more than a few clanmates in a single bracket. and now that they have to focus on their mains, alt towers wont dominate the lower brackets. so hopefully other people will get enough medals to fill in the brackets.

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Pickled male reproductive organbum Posted:

like i said, the way to increase competitiveness is to fix seeding such that there aren’t more than a few clanmates in a single bracket.

That won’t increase competitiveness. Rather, the opposite. Because that suggestion will force all the heavy-raiders to be split among all (or most of) the brackets and limit even further the non-raiding people who currently don’t have to compete against them. And then they’ll give up even more frequently, meaning your heavy-raiding klan will get all the medals, putting that goal out of everyone else’s reach for good, effectively ending the game for everyone who’s not raiding with you.

Yes, I catastrophize. It’s what I do.

MC Banhammer Posted:

That won’t increase competitiveness. Rather, the opposite. Because that suggestion will force all the heavy-raiders to be split among all (or most of) the brackets and limit even further the non-raiding people who currently don’t have to compete against them. And then they’ll give up even more frequently, meaning your heavy-raiding klan will get all the medals, putting that goal out of everyone else’s reach for good, effectively ending the game for everyone who’s not raiding with you.

Yes, I catastrophize. It’s what I do.

I’d like to see smaller brackets with a more even distribution (which I think PD mentioned above). I was actually talking to a fellow klanmate yesterday in IRC about it – but coming from a totally different perspective. It’s flat out impossible for me to medal in the top bracket as it is now. 50% of that bracket is ep2beta. For a week or two, I was the *only* other raiding person in that bracket (at least that was actually attempting to win anything) – now I have two others. It’s still horribly unbalanced and has really killed my motivation to raid. (And pretty much the rest of our klan too)

(umm… not that I expect to medal every week by a long shot, but a chance of something more that 0% would be nice to have)

I think these changes are interesting, but it still drives home the fact that dom is still a klan game. I lucked through my meager medals a long time ago, but anymore I just can’t get motivated to try. I’m curious what my odds are now that klan nillas got tweaked.

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The card limit is a great step, it prevents that 100% security thing.

The medal reduction is also good. Might be too harsh, but realistically it will force a bracket structure change at least every couple of weeks, since you drop when you don’t medal.

Personally, I think The bumhole should still hit for ten, but if other ideas are put into play I can see why a slight nerf is in order.

I don’t know that this should be labeled “Vanilla Fix” as it won’t and it might really discourage those waiting for a solution if they think it’s intended to be the fix. Still, it is noted that it’s a trial, so hopefully everyone is a little mellow about things.

EDIT: Also, we had exactly 1 1/2 raids before the 12-12-12 method was let out, and I reported the method to BINGE as soon as it was discovered. Log in to see images!

Ok.. now that klan raiding go tweaked.

Still, pickled, you’re imagining the collapse of entire klans resulting from these trial fixes. If it’s that serious, then yea, it’d suck to see the community decay into greedy chaos. I’m pretty confident, though, that you headseaters will stay alive.

I think keeping 12/12/12 is more of a fix than removing it if it would be known that could be done… and removing alts is a roadblock to those not in raiding klans that might still want to compete here and there. It pretty much might cripple the already huge raiding klans because they have the numbers to raid anyway otherwise – but it kills any other smaller klan straight out. Won’t be trying a raid this week with my alt[s] since it simply won’t be possible unless random people with visits magically appear and have a bunch of hours. Pistachio loops and lemons it is.

BINGEBOT 2015 Posted:

Re-read my initial post. I made some adjustments.

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