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Suggestion: take permbanned illegal multis out of domination groups. | |||||||
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topic, no need to elaborate really. Some that I see are Ronnie Blaze, Honey Lennon, Nikki Gale, Idol Lasher, and woman's genitalsGalore. All permbanned, all bathing in Episode 2 Beta klan vanilla. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:13AM | DEAD fabulous person | # | ||||||
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I brought this up to ET yesterday (based on a Q from scullyangel) and he said they’d be discussing it at last night’s meeting. So hopefully we’ll hear something today. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:15AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Yeah I heard the same from Bingebot, we crossed signals I guess. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:18AM | DEAD fabulous person | # | ||||||
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SG94 Posted:
one of those is in one of my brackets with an alt
I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:19AM | View elenaratelimit's Profile | # | ||||||
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We have discussed and come to a decision. ET is working on the coding to back it up. Stay tuned.
Let’s just say that Justice will be served. No further discussion is necessary.
B2015 |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:25AM | View BINGEBOT 2015's Profile | # | ||||||
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Ronnie has previously told us all those alts are legal*, and he’s donated $75. So there is misinformation in this thread somewhere, and further clarification *is* necessary to clear that up.
*and all have the same voting ratio, not that that means a whole lot meeeeeeeeee edited this message on 07/22/2008 10:43AM |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:40AM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
Any such information is currently between CZ and Ronnie. Please leave it there instead of speculating. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:43AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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And the speculation in SG94s post? |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:47AM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
That’s not really speculation. Viewing their profiles shows bans with no expiration date, and that’s the definition of permaban.
Of course, even permabans can be reversed, but lack of expiration date = permaban is generally a good rule of thumb. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 10:52AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Just playing devils advocate, (since it totally makes sense to me to remove permabanned people from domination groups) – but if it turns out those alts are legally bought multis of the ronnie blaze main, then should they stay in domination? (bumuming he might come back from permaban)
from his side of the story, paraphrased, he had illegal multis from back when he started, but he doesn’t play them anymore. since then he bought a lot of BPs and supposedly bought a bunch of legal alts, which we had always bumumed were those mentioned above by SG94.
whether or not he was using the aforementioned illegal alts for vote tampering or what have you is another issue all together, but I don’t think he was raiding with illegals. I mean who pays $75 and then makes a bunch of illegal alts? |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 11:14AM | Pickled male reproductive organbum... | # | ||||||
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. meeeeeeeeee edited this message on 07/22/2008 11:20AM |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 11:19AM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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Pickled male reproductive organbum Posted:
This is the crux of the issue. Stand by for breaking developments. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 11:21AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Analysis in: see the OP in the illegal alts thread. Under “When will we ban an Illegal Alt?” |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 11:36AM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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So what’s the situation? Is this the relevant paragraph?
“What if I’m not actively playing both?
Generally, if you are not actively playing two accounts within a short time period, you will not be banned.
For example, you create an Emo Kid, play for a day and decide the game sucks. Then you come back a month later and create a new account to play as a Camwhore, and never touch your Emo account again. We don’t consider this actively using multiple accounts and you will be fine. “ |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 11:59AM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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Sigh.
No. This one:
We have tools to analyze your usage habits. If we catch you actively playing on multiple accounts all of your accounts will be banned: it’s as simple as that. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:03PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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Fine. It’s as simple as that. He donated generously, he more than paid for however many alts he ran. Any issue with unfairness then is down to game balance – nothing to do with illegal alts. CZs finances are safe, no harm, no foul. I don’t see that justice was served here. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:06PM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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meeeeeeeeee Posted:
Because you don’t see everything. You see only a small part of it.
This thread is way off-topic now. Further discussions about illegal alts should go back to that main thread in Game Discussion, linked to above. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:11PM | View MC Banhammer's Profile | # | ||||||
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i guess Ronnie was actively playing his illegals too. I still don’t think he raided with them. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:17PM | Pickled male reproductive organbum... | # | ||||||
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If he still had illegal multis and was playing them despite having plenty of BPs to make them legal then I don’t really know what to say. I think CZ are perfectly in their rights to ban people for abusing the game but I also see that leniency has been made in the past for other players who have consistently been more abusive.
I think it really depends on what he was doing with his illegal multis. It seems likely that he wasn’t really using them for domination but it could be that he was using them to influence forumbuildr which can be really unfair to people that are trying to develop creative content for the game.
I’m willing to trust the admins judgment in this regards but I do think that they should balance the harm he might’ve done with his status as a contributor (not that contributors should get out of jail scott-free) and the relative seriousness of his crimes in comparison to other permabanned users. |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:25PM | View Vuron's Profile | # | ||||||
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I’m heading over to the game discussion thread as requested by Bamhammer… |
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Posted On: 07/22/2008 12:29PM | View scully's Profile | # | ||||||