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Bug - 2 Can holding twelve forums be considered "raiding" in any normal sense of the word?

DEAD fabulous person

Avatar: 21099 Wed Jul 08 18:09:49 -0400 2009
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I think not. Back in the day when SotQR had their first raid, holding 12 forums was something that required coordination and working together, as there were only twentysomething forums available.

Right now there’s forty. Holding twelve of them is ****-easy and most certainly not the monumental achievement it once was. Now this isn’t about the rewards for it (my opinions on that are well known), but the feat in itself. It’s nothing. I hold 12 forums by myself easily when I care to do that, just by running my daily visits.

Discuss.

TUBSWEETIE

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It wouldn’t be outrageous to increase the number of held forums to say 20something. All 40 would be ludicrous.

It wouldn’t make much of dent in scoop count, though. With the repossessing secret, once they’re held it’s pretty easy to rack up the scoops.

scully

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I do agree, unfortunately the more forums added the less available it would become for solo players with alts, and very small raiding groups. For example, I know that Arktor raids sometimes using his 4 klanned characters. At full visits that’s 48 total available – 12 for the initial forums and then 36 extras. If the number is bumped to say 20 that radically hits someone like Arktor and has almost zero impact on a group with 20+ characters available.

Arktor

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scullyangel Posted:

I do agree, unfortunately the more forums added the less available it would become for solo players with alts, and very small raiding groups. For example, I know that Arktor raids sometimes using his 4 klanned characters. At full visits that’s 48 total available – 12 for the initial forums and then 36 extras. If the number is bumped to say 20 that radically hits someone like Arktor and has almost zero impact on a group with 20+ characters available.

Honestly, it’s not a dramatic impact on me, just because my “raids” are something like 50% lemon sherbet, 30% pistachio, 10% solo vanilla, and 10% klan vanilla. It’s mostly a matter of just getting the extra vanilla because I can, not because it makes a huge difference.

But that’s irrelevant, really. (Solo raids can’t really be considered “raiding” either.) Personally I think that increasing the count of forums to hold would have a severe impact on raids unless they had 20+ players, just because there’d be a much higher chance of losing several forums simultaneously.

Or, for an alternative, what if it was still a matter of being required to hold 12 forums, but the forums to hold were the 12 forums from Episode 1? Right now you can find:

Great Firewall of China Difficulty Level 8 Maldoror – 8h ago

Second Wife Difficulty Level 7 CHALKONEUPTODALORD The Bus Club 3h ago

The Urbane Dictionary Difficulty Level 6 Deg – 3h ago

Internet Movie DoucheBags Difficulty Level 5 Wyrd Brainfreeze 3h ago

MemeBusters Difficulty Level 7 Deg – 3h ago

Paranoid Panorama Difficulty Level 7 Wyrd Brainfreeze 2h ago

Fathers Against Pornography Difficulty Level 5 Carnal – 2h ago

Zombie Armageddon Difficulty Level 5 Carnal – 2h ago

Gamefabulous personS Difficulty Level 6 xXxJUNEGUY1xXx – 1h ago

God Hates Facts Difficulty Level 6 xXxJUNEGUY1xXx – 1h ago

Woe is Us Difficulty Level 5 Joseppe – 1h ago

Obscure Phobia Support Boards Difficulty Level 1 tankem – 1h ago

Coral Springs Nuclear Generating Station Difficulty Level 6 Joseppe – 1h ago

Homicide Girls Difficulty Level 5 Joseppe – 1h ago

Church of Saiyantology Difficulty Level 4 Gaselle No Homo 57m ago

Something Lawful Difficulty Level 3 Aestro egg 55m ago

DeviousArtists Difficulty Level 3 Aestro egg 53m ago

Faux News Difficulty Level 9 CreepPipe KFC University 53m ago

Fanfiction Freaks Difficulty Level 2 Ardiee – 52m ago

Home of Male Objectors Difficulty Level 3 Aestro egg 52m ago

Teen Mommies Difficulty Level 2 Tact No Homo 51m ago

HowStuffBreaks Difficulty Level 2 Ardiee – 51m ago

RAtM: Rage Against the Moderators Difficulty Level 3 Aestro egg 50m ago

YouBoob Difficulty Level 4 Aestro egg 49m ago

Suburban Gangsta Paradise Difficulty Level 4 Aestro egg 48m ago

That’s a Lot of Feces! Difficulty Level 4 AcouS2iic – 39m ago

South Carolina Marine Fisheries Forum Difficulty Level 4 AcouS2iic – 32m ago

PrayPal Difficulty Level 6 Daisy_Sensei Klan Ninja-Pirate-Robot-Zombie with Kung-Fu Grip 31m ago

The Furry Farm Difficulty Level 5 Leyshjonoe – 29m ago

Girls Advocating Sexual Purity Difficulty Level 7 CreepPipe KFC University 29m ago

Dolphin Love Difficulty Level 2 Tact No Homo 29m ago

Terra Online Difficulty Level 3 Tact No Homo 28m ago

Rice, Rice, Baby Difficulty Level 2 AcouS2iic – 24m ago

Konservative Kristian Koalition Difficulty Level 4 Leyshjonoe – 23m ago

Dr. Jojo’s Plastic Surgery Stronghold Difficulty Level 2 AcouS2iic – 22m ago

Headbanger’s Hellhole…of Death Difficulty Level 5 Leyshjonoe – 19m ago

Fitness fabulous personry Difficulty Level 3 rejEcteD_rifFiC – 14m ago

Wiccapedia Difficulty Level 5 Takua1 – 9m ago

R.P.Genius Difficulty Level 5 Tew the Frontier Psychiatrist The Bus Club 2m ago

Denture Chat Difficulty Level 1 Heath Ledgers Ghost – 1m ago

There are 14 forums there that currently have a turnover of over 1 hour. You can just pick 11 of these and denture chat for an insanely easy time. At the moment, and this generally seems to be true (for obvious reasons involving leveling and forums with no real point to running them besides in-a-row), the episode 1 forums have a higher rate of turnover.

MC Banhammer

Avatar: 1887 2011-07-31 00:40:59 -0400
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The 12 needed were set when Domination was first introduced, and there were only 12 forums available. It’s always been my opinion that the number should continue to increase to equal all the available forums.

But maybe that’s just me.

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MC Banhammer Posted:

The 12 needed were set when Domination was first introduced, and there were only 12 forums available. It’s always been my opinion that the number should continue to increase to equal all the available forums.

But maybe that’s just me.

I get that logic, and that might be a good idea if klan and solo become separated or if the number of visits a player can bank is increased. As things stand that would make it pretty solidly impossible for a solo player and alts to ever earn klan. Would make it impossible for groups of altless players to earn klan vanilla (or to allow there to be a point in using visits that way) for groups smaller than 10 or so. Also, any given group would pretty much need a troll who owned a DML in order to keep control of Faux, GFoC and any other forums released that hit like those. With every pbuming week any klan would have to become larger, and don’t we all kind of think that the bigger raiding klans are the problem already? It would eventually eliminate klan vanilla, and yes, I see that could be your aim, but it would just be simpler for CZ to eliminate it than doing a progressive thing that slowly shut out people.

Plus I couldn’t have just solo raided for 86 scoops with your method. Log in to see images!

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EDIT: And, no, it should not be so easy to raid that I could actually do that. I just feel that if klan and solo raiders continue to be pooled together, klan vanilla should not be inaccessible to solo players or very small klans.

scully edited this message on 07/20/2008 9:55AM

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Am I the only one who thinks that making it the 12 episode 1 forums would solve a lot of problems?

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Arktor Posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that making it the 12 episode 1 forums would solve a lot of problems?

Maybe.

It would solve part of the 12-12-12 scheme, because the EP1 forums are the ones with the fastest turnover.

meeeeeeeeee

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X forums where X is the number of raiders joined to the raid (or who participate in the raid at some point) minimum of 12. If more players or alts join, more forums are required. Having another thing to keep track of would make things a bit more interesting too.

Amasius

Avatar: 21158 2015-06-13 23:07:57 -0400
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Arktor Posted:

Am I the only one who thinks that making it the 12 episode 1 forums would solve a lot of problems?

Only until E2 comes out, right? Also it would make raids more difficult, but done at a time when not many players are online and with the new raiding method it would still result in those insane amounts of vanillas.

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meeeeeeeeee Posted:

X forums where X is the number of raiders joined to the raid (or who participate in the raid at some point) minimum of 12. If more players or alts join, more forums are required. Having another thing to keep track of would make things a bit more interesting too.

I like this idea – the bigger a raid the harder it is to execute. Yeah, makes sense.

scully

Avatar: 12797 2015-07-20 16:59:13 -0400
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I can see that helping, but again that would pretty much eliminate the possibility for solo players/small groups to participate. Coral goes down and they are going to have a **** of a time recovering.

EDIT: This in reply to Arktor’s suggestion of using only the Ep. 1 forums.

Personally, the changes I would love to see:

– Any character can only join one raid per week (this would make the strategy of raid interruption extremely valuable, where right now it means nothing.)

– Only one character per player may join a raid (join with one and the others simply don’t get the “join raid” bumon, just like Forumbuildr where if you’ve voted you can’t go to an alt and vote again. They can still help with the raid, but not earn.)

– Only characters who control one of the 12 forums receive a scoop.

– Reduce raid time to 1 hour.

– Klan can only start 3 raids per week.

– Maximum of 4 characters per player may play in Domination (after that if a 5th alt earns a scoop it is auto removed)

– More Dom cards to dilute the card pool.

scully edited this message on 07/20/2008 10:34AM

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Amasius Posted:

Only until E2 comes out, right? Also it would make raids more difficult, but done at a time when not many players are online and with the new raiding method it would still result in those insane amounts of vanillas.

You realize that the “new raiding method” is just the bug that SotQR discovered a while ago, right? Or is it another “new raiding method?”

@meeeee: workaround: 6 people’s mains join the raid. Then one alt joins each. They use their visits, then the 6 alts are booted and 6 new alts join the raid.

scully

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meeeeeeeeee Posted:

X forums where X is the number of raiders joined to the raid (or who participate in the raid at some point) minimum of 12. If more players or alts join, more forums are required. Having another thing to keep track of would make things a bit more interesting too.

That’s a nice idea, not sure how much of a nerf it would really be though. It seems to skew heavily in favor of the biggest klans. I know we would simply require everyone who was participating to join, do the count and then if anyone else ignored the situation and pwned outside the raid they would be temp booted, so it didn’t mess things up. I hate to say it, but really, do you think it would be that hard for Ep. 2 or Brainfreeze to control 30 forums?

Amasius

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Arktor Posted:

You realize that the “new raiding method” is just the bug that SotQR discovered a while ago, right? Or is it another “new raiding method?”

What do I know about raiding? I’ve never done it. Log in to see images!

But are you sure that it is a bug?

scully

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BINGEBOT attended one of our raids recently. He thought we were all using that method all along. He had been confused as to why people were reporting 6, 8, 10 hour raids. He didn’t actually laugh and point at us, but it was close. Log in to see images!

So it’s a feature, not a bug, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem.

Arktor

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scullyangel Posted:

BINGEBOT attended one of our raids recently. He thought we were all using that method all along. He had been confused as to why people were reporting 6, 8, 10 hour raids. He didn’t actually laugh and point at us, but it was close. Log in to see images!

So it’s a feature, not a bug, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a problem.

Indeed? Maybe I’m remembering wrong, then.

meeeeeeeeee

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Arktor Posted:

You realize that the “new raiding method” is just the bug that SotQR discovered a while ago, right? Or is it another “new raiding method?”

@meeeee: workaround: 6 people’s mains join the raid. Then one alt joins each. They use their visits, then the 6 alts are booted and 6 new alts join the raid.

That’s why I said joined to the raid altogether – if another 6 join, the forums required jumps by 6 for that raid, even if the last 6 leave. It would only be part of an overall solution, and mainly an attempt to add another factor to raids, just to make things a little more interesting.

In the same vein, add another factor – any held forums automatically go back to unheld after a period of 5 minutes, so all 12 (or more) forums have to constantly be retaken, not just Denture Chat over and over.

Arktor

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meeeeeeeeee Posted:

That’s why I said joined to the raid altogether – if another 6 join, the forums required jumps by 6 for that raid, even if the last 6 leave. It would only be part of an overall solution, and mainly an attempt to add another factor to raids, just to make things a little more interesting.

In the same vein, add another factor – any held forums automatically go back to unheld after a period of 5 minutes, so all 12 (or more) forums have to constantly be retaken, not just Denture Chat over and over.

So by “joined to the raid” you mean that have joined overall, not that are currently joined? That seems solid enough, I guess. Although it might just make it so you get 11 scoops per person instead of 12 scoops per person.

Arktor edited this message on 07/20/2008 2:59PM

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That was the intention. The addition of my other suggestion would make earning lots of scoops possibly quite challenging, as the larger the raid, the quicker you have to pwn (and re-pwn) an ever larger number of more difficult forums. There are rather too many easy forums for that to be the challenge it needs to be though, unless the minimum requirement were boosted, which affects the raid difficulty at the lower end, which we don’t want to.

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