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IS IT NECESSARY FOR TROLLS TO BUILD DEFENSE? | |||||||
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I’ve been thinking about this for a while now.
Depending on your tips, I might use my second Haxlrose soon.
Is it necessary for…duh. Read title.
One source said that Trolls should focus on their Offense and Defense, but another suggested to forget Defense and focus on Ego. Which one is better?
And DON’T redirect me to the Flezz build. I wouldn’t be asking you if I accepted the build.
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 12:51AM | View Travalgar's Profile | # | ||||||
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Well if you’re not going for a Flezz build, on the other side of the spectrum there’s the speed build in the wiki. Although it really depends what you are going for exactly and the first defense point is pretty cheap, over the whole defense is taken care of by your equipment, especially as a troll: the stat is really only useful on the hardest forums. |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:14AM | DEAD fabulous person | # | ||||||
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Obviously everything could change with Ep. 2, but currently even if you just have the Sealskin, you really don’t need to dump points into Defense. |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:21AM | View scully's Profile | # | ||||||
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defense for troll, not v important, high ego, important. |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:27AM | View SIG-ENABLING MOC...'s Profile | # | ||||||
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I find that there are benefits for investing in defense. Defense is basically your evade stat, which lowers my consumable usage and repair costs, as well as gives me more chances to attack. With my emo, I find that it helps me stay in the lower 20% ego range longer. Edit:Switched alts in the middle of post.
SIG-ENABLING MOCK-CONGLER Posted:
I disagree with this. I think that past ego level 5 is a waste of upgrade points. Which could be better put into other stats. Call Me Diego edited this message on 07/16/2008 4:34AM |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:30AM | View Call Me Diego's Profile | # | ||||||
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I’ve got 300 ego with equipment (Pruneserve, male reproductive organblaster) Other than that, the only real choice I see is maxxed out luck vs another couple of points on attack. |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:53AM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
scullyangel Posted:
An okay suggestion, but, while I’m collecting money for the goddamned fur coat, should I stay with the Lv. 5 Defense for now? Or should I not change it even after I get enough Flezz for the sealskin? And what about Offense? |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 7:24AM | View Travalgar's Profile | # | ||||||
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Travalgar Posted:
I do still need to beat Coral Springs, I’ll go do that real quick. Log in to see images!
EDIT: There, Coral done.
Basically everything depends on your goals. Do you want to just get it going and not worry about grinding for the DML? If you aren’t going for that, I’d say leave your build as is until you finish out Ep. 1 and have a decent stock of consumables and some flezz for gambling. Then if you want to play in Domination respec for pure speed (prioritize offense and ego) and plan to run 4 or lower forums to minimize consumables. On the other hand, if you build doesn’t have a decent amount of Ego you are losing flezz daily on extra Smileprins. Log in to see images!
Sorry if you aren’t looking to increase your flezz (thus your rejection of the flezz build), yet you are lacking basic items I’m not sure how to direct you. I guess do what you want and grind Feces until you get enough for the Sealskin. *shrug* scully edited this message on 07/16/2008 8:05AM |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 7:51AM | View scully's Profile | # | ||||||
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RU hunting for special E-peens? If not, put it all in offense. the first times it’s not that pricy to let haxl rearrange your stats |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 9:58AM | View Aldo_Anything's Profile | # | ||||||
Until you get to Level 10, there’s no point in respec. Once you get to the cap, though, I don’t see why you wouldn’t use my build. You aren’t going to do much better than that unless you cheat. Maybe trade off an Upkeep point for Luck or an Ego level for Offense, but that’s about it.
And no, it’s not necessary to put points in Defense if you’re a Troll. It’s not even that helpful if you have a Sealskin. |
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Posted On: 07/16/2008 4:18PM | View Pluvius's Profile | # | ||||||
Pluvius Posted:
Now that you mention it, I don’t think I really lose anything for following your build, do I?
Thanks for the suggestion.
At first, I’m aiming for an offensive Troll with little use of medicines (thus come the need for defense — an alternate version from the Speed build, switching the Ego with Defense). But now that I think about it, it’s not necessarily the best idea, this being my first Troll and all and I don’t have enough experience to experiment things as such. Travalgar edited this message on 07/17/2008 1:16AM |
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Posted On: 07/17/2008 1:13AM | View Travalgar's Profile | # | ||||||
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Defense is a worthless stat in general, so avoid investing points in it. With Sealskin you get a base defense of 16 which is more than enough. |
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Posted On: 07/17/2008 4:25AM | View Healbot's Profile | # | ||||||
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I try for a ****load of defense so that threads hardly damage me. GFOC typically hits me for 80 (Not that that stops it from being a challenge). |
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Posted On: 07/17/2008 2:15PM | View Big Brother's Profile | # | ||||||
Travalgar Posted:
Doesn’t work—Defense doesn’t scale nearly as well as Offense does. My DML gives me 46 Defense and from what I remember, I still got hit about a third of the time for around 50-60 damage each on the two megaforums. And on the weaker high-level forums I get hit at about the same rate as with the Sealskin with only a few points less damage. A couple extra points of Defense isn’t really going to help, especially if you have to trade off Offense or Ego for it. |
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Posted On: 07/17/2008 5:41PM | View Pluvius's Profile | # | ||||||
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I have the DML… I have had tinted sunglbumes for a while (charisma +3/defense +2)...
Yesterday I bought the leather catmask (offense +1) and decided to try it when I did Faux today. My defense went down from 49-47 and my offense was at 27.
I found the 2 points defense did make a difference – same amount of threads (11) – I had to use about 8+ smileprin than I usually do when I have the tinted sunglbumes on. I also found the hits were higher (always high 50’s and low to mid 60’s) than with the sunglbumes on (mid 50’s mostly – a lot more 0 hits also).
Just sayin’ from my observations now that I switched equipment to compare.
But I guess you only really need to bother with such high defense if you plan to do Faux 4 times in a day etc otherwise it’s not like you will need to bother saving flezz/drugs… |
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Posted On: 07/20/2008 2:22PM | View elenaratelimit's Profile | # | ||||||
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Faux is one of the 3 forums where high defence makes a huge difference. My emo ran Faux and used 350+ smileprin with a defence of 9, my troll uses ~50 per run with a defence of 48 and attack of 27. I’m guessing around the 50 defence point there’s going to be diminishing returns though for higher levels, and of course with a higher attack, your defence has to kick in less often, so it’s still a tradeoff (and the best combination of the two will be different for different forums)
I’m considering respeccing for as high attack as possible, at the expense of luck and frugality, but it’s going to be an expensive operation as my current cost at Haxlrose is 50k . |
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Posted On: 07/20/2008 4:30PM | View Squidly's Profile | # | ||||||
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Alt fail Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 07/20/2008 4:30PM | View meeeeeeeeee's Profile | # | ||||||
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50k? ouch
i thought 20k if I wanted another was bad Log in to see images! |
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Posted On: 07/20/2008 5:17PM | View elenaratelimit's Profile | # | ||||||