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11/23/2010 | |
Aldo's Good Night ThreadI had a dream a few nights ago that was really cool. I went to France and I brought my dog with me, but it wasn’t France at all, it was like some early civilization with wooly mammoths and huge prehistoric plants and stuff.
I was walking along this stream picking these enormous otherworldly looking flowers and my dog dove into the water. Which is totally unlike him, he hates water. So I freaked out thinking he was drowning and got him back on the bank, and there was a jack russel terrier there too. And my dog wasn’t attacking it which was also totally unlike him. He hates those dogs.
Anyway, I decided to get away from there before there was a dog fight, I forgot all about the creepy/cool flowers I was picking and started walking down this stone path into what I guess was a town. Then this giant sloth as big as a Super Wal-Mart walked over the path and didn’t step on anyone and climbed into this huge tree and just blended into it.
Then I woke up. That was an awesome dream.
I hope you have awesome dreams too, Aldo. Log in to see images! (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
Hey girls on ForumwarzCelerysteve Posted:
Neither, but I do sleep with lots of women. So. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
I need a powerfull trolling force...to troll a real forumOh, hey, spf, just wanna say. I heard what this “trolling mission” is about and I don’t understand the point of it AT ALL please explain. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
Hey girls on ForumwarzLee_Harvey_Oswald Posted: |
11/23/2010 | |
Hey girls on ForumwarzThe former. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
I need a powerfull trolling force...to troll a real forumI have killed EggLord. Any posts made by EggLord from this point forward are made by an imposter. Feel free to ignore the fake EggLord. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
buildr is ****CrinkzPipe Posted:
Then don’t use buildr.
PROBLEM SOLVED! Log in to see images! (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
I need a powerfull trolling force...to troll a real forumspf357 Posted:
Fun is good motivation. I’m just not sure this is going to be fun. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving And Learned To Be AfraidBacchus Posted:
I’m not claiming anything, I posted an article. I will say though, this is from the link you posted:
Americans generally believe that their Thanksgiving is modeled on a 1621 harvest feast shared by the English colonists (Pilgrims) of Plymouth and the Wampanoag Indians.
We shared more than a feast. Thousands of native Americans were wiped out due to smallpox and other European diseases that their bodies were unfamiliar with.
In Spite Of Posted:
I agree. And sure, I am a “fringe extremist”, but I’m not trying to tell anyone I’m better than they are. Having attended public schools in the US I understand how little actual history is taught to the general public. I don’t even agree with everything this guy is saying, but reading and learning about alternate viewpoints is an important thing that’s been omitted from American education just like Jesus from Christmas (lol, Jesus). No, I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. That has a lot to do with not enjoying spending the day with my parents and very little to do with politics though. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
Serious kinda day here at FlamebateNicco Posted:
That’s the point. They want people to bumociate their idiotic ideas and plans for “change” with the story all Americans learn in Kindergarten so they get the warm fuzzies and don’t question it.
What’s funny to me is that they consider themselves “Conservatives”, idolize the founding fathers, but the founding fathers were far from conservative. What the Tea Party actually wants is far from conservative. Their “Contract From America” would actually call for more government involvement than we already have. And some of what they’re asking for are good ideas, they just insist on being so ridiculous about it that I want to bang my head repeatedly onto my desk. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
I need a powerfull trolling force...to troll a real forumWhat’s my motivation supposed to be? I need something more pertinent than brownie points. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving And Learned To Be Afraidhttp://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_57499.shtml
How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving And Learned To Be Afraid By Robert Jensen Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009
I have stopped hating Thanksgiving and learned to be afraid of the holiday.
Over the past few years a growing number of white people have joined the longstanding indigenous people’s critique of the holocaust denial that is at the heart of the Thanksgiving holiday. In two recent essays I have examined the disturbing nature of a holiday rooted in a celebration of the European conquest of the Americas, which means the celebration of the Europeans’ genocidal campaign against indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States. Many similar pieces have been published in predominantly white left/progressive media, while indigenous people continue to mark the holiday as a “National Day of Mourning”.
In recent years I have refused to participate in Thanksgiving Day meals, even with friends and family who share this critical analysis and reject the national mythology around manifest destiny. In bowing out of those gatherings, I would often tell folks that I hated Thanksgiving. I realize now that “hate” is the wrong word to describe my emotional reaction to the holiday. I am afraid of Thanksgiving. More accurately, I am afraid of what Thanksgiving tells us about both the dominant culture and much of the alleged counterculture.
Here’s what I think it tells us: As a society, the United States is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt. This is a society in which even progressive people routinely allow national and family traditions to trump fundamental human decency. It’s a society in which, in the privileged sectors, getting along and not causing trouble are often valued above honesty and accountability. Though it’s painful to consider, it’s possible that such a society is beyond redemption. Such a consideration becomes frightening when we recognize that all this goes on in the most affluent and militarily powerful country in the history of the world, but a country that is falling apart — an empire in decline.
Thanksgiving should teach us all to be afraid.
Although it’s well known to anyone who wants to know, let me summarize the argument against Thanksgiving: European invaders exterminated nearly the entire indigenous population to create the United States. Without that holocaust, the United States as we know it would not exist. The United States celebrates a Thanksgiving Day holiday dominated not by atonement for that horrendous crime against humanity but by a falsified account of the “encounter” between Europeans and American Indians. When confronted with this, most people in the United States (outside of indigenous communities) ignore the history or attack those who make the argument. This is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.
In left/radical circles, even though that basic critique is widely accepted, a relatively small number of people argue that we should renounce the holiday and refuse to celebrate it in any fashion. Most leftists who celebrate Thanksgiving claim that they can individually redefine the holiday in a politically progressive fashion in private, which is an illusory dodge: We don’t define holidays individually or privately — the idea of a holiday is rooted in its collective, shared meaning. When the dominant culture defines a holiday in a certain fashion, one can’t pretend to redefine it in private. To pretend we can do that also is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.
I press these points with no sense of moral superiority. For many years I didn’t give these questions a thought, and for some years after that I sat sullenly at Thanksgiving dinners, unwilling to raise my voice. For the past few years I’ve spent the day alone, which was less stressful for me personally (and, probably, less stressful for people around me) but had no political effect. This year I’ve avoided the issue by accepting a speaking invitation in Canada, taking myself out of the country on that day. But that feels like a cheap resolution, again with no political effect in the United States.
The next step for me is to seek creative ways to use the tension around this holiday for political purposes, to highlight the white-supremacist and predatory nature of the dominant culture, then and now. Is it possible to find a way to bring people together in public to contest the values of the dominant culture? How can those of us who want to reject that dominant culture meet our intellectual, political, and moral obligations? How can we act righteously without slipping into self-righteousness? What strategies create the most expansive space possible for honest engagement with others?
Along with allies in Austin, I’ve struggled with the question of how to create an alternative public event that could contribute to a more honest accounting of the American holocausts in the past (not only the indigenous genocide, but African slavery) and present (the murderous U.S. bumault on the developing world, especially in the past six decades, in places such as Vietnam and Iraq).
Some have suggested an educational event, bringing in speakers to talk about those holocausts. Others have suggested a gathering focused on atonement. Should the event be more political or more spiritual? Perhaps some combination of methods and goals is possible.
However we decide to proceed, we can’t ignore the ugly ideological realities of the holiday. My fear of those realities is appropriate but facing reality need not leave us paralyzed by fear; instead it can help us understand the contours of the multiple crises — economic and ecological, political and cultural — that we face. The challenge is to channel our fear into action. I hope that next year I will find a way to take another step toward a more meaningful honoring of our intellectual, political, and moral obligations.
As we approach Thanksgiving Day, I’m eager to hear about the successful strategies of others. For such advice, I would be thankful. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
In b4 World War 3That is truly horrible. Thank God I live in America.
wait… (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
Game dead?I bet LHO’s just a Shii alt. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
An announcement.They forgot to mention that marijuana cigarettes can cause you to spend hours on end posting on FWZ. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
I thought I was immune to WTF, but I was wrongJohn Lennon’s “Woman is the fine upstanding member of society of the World” was 10 times more interesting and effective. (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
Initech - The Millennium's not over yet!spacekadt Posted:
qft (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
****'s going downThis makes me really ****ing sad. Log in to see images!
**** you, Kim Jong Il. I apparently know more about traditional Korean values than you do.
Rather than harm, avoid. Rather than maim, harm. Rather than kill, maim. Rather than be killed, kill.
Real hard to understand, huh? (view post) |
11/23/2010 | |
What the ****Because LHO said “CLOSET OF SHAME.” And it was so. (view post) |
11/23/2010 |