tag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:/discussions/search_by_character/MonikerForumwarz: Flamebate Posts by Moniker2009-09-06T00:00:00+00:00tag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/698225If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>OverclockedJesus Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>A new thread like this will pop up sooner or later and be interesting again. For a while.</blockquote>
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</p><p>You haven’t helped make this thread very interesting. You’ve made it a snark-fest full of personal attacks, and that’s the sort of thing I’d expect from our opponents.
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</p><p>tl;dr? You’re making us look bad. Knock it the fuck off.
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</p><p>EDIT: Unbelievable. We have an opportunity here at Troll Hill on the internet to take the high road, and you’re talking about getting someone banned just because he couldn’t have an intellectual conversation to save his life. You’ve wasted our opportunity and I’m disappointed.
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</p><p>/rant</p>Moniker2009-09-06T00:21:46Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/698017If God doesn't exist..<p><a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/09/05/why-dont-christians-ever-get-new-arguments/" target="_blank">This is not a troll, I just would like to point something out.</a>
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</p><p>And read the comments.</p>Moniker2009-09-05T18:14:48Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697404If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>You trollin me?</blockquote>
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</p><p>I wouldn’t dream of it, Fingerz. I’d be in way too much trouble.
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</p><p>I’m not talking about the mods, either.
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</p><p>I’ve got to keep on topic here…
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</p><p>I don’t think anyone created the universe because there’s no evidence to support that particular assertion.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T22:20:56Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697397If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>What should I Google for?</blockquote>
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</p><p>Quadrangle.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T22:14:14Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697359If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Google’s a p awesome thing, huh? <img src="http://uploads.forumwarz.com/cdn/39/1e76e676-1401-11de-bd52-001c23d677ba.png" height="16" alt="" width="16" /></blockquote>
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</p><p>Try it sometime.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T21:57:11Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697354If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Skyman747 Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I thought it was called a quadrangle</blockquote>
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I think that’s something else entirely?</blockquote>
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</p><p>It’s actually an architectural term.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T21:52:36Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697343If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Moniker Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I put forth that one cannot believe in something they don’t understand.</blockquote>
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Are you retracting this statement? I’m getting confused now and that’s not fun.</blockquote>
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</p><p>No. But to clarify, let me refer to man-man’s post:
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>man-man Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>...a clearer statement would be that it’s impossible to believe in an incomprehensible concept, because you don’t know what it is that you’re believing in unless you comprehend it.</blockquote></p>Moniker2009-09-04T21:42:41Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697335If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I’m making no assumptions. However, if someone understands something, they ought to be able to explain it to me. If they cannot, I’m perfectly well within my rights to say so. Do you disagree?
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</p><p>if you like strawmen.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I did say something that led him to make that statement. You’re right, but so was he, and I corrected myself in response.
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</p><p>You could gain a fair understanding of its premises if you took the time to study it.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>...American Idol. I just don’t get it. But I believe in it, too.</blockquote>
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</p><p>Totally different variety of belief. We can agree that American Idol exists, and failing that, we can conclusively demonstrate that it exists.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Just because you don’t understand something it doesn’t mean you can’t believe in it.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I’m not so sure. See if you understand the following: Asjdajh, sdfisuhdewerwe. Urfngjzkdrfgs, faubfaerf, and I irehfserfosaerf.
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</p><p>Do you believe it?
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Besides, who are you to say whether or not someone understands God/the concept of a God?</blockquote>
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</p><p>I’m not saying that, I’m asking it.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Fingerz Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Your logic appears to be a fallacy. Do you have anything better?</blockquote>
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</p><p>Faith is the belief in something that cannot be known.
</p><p>You cannot battle faith with logic.
</p><p>If you want to win this, you’ll have to find another tactic.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I put forth that one cannot believe in something they don’t understand.
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</p><p>Furthermore, I posit that logic is the only shield with which to defend against faith.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T21:10:21Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697295If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>lordofawesome Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>As an omnipotent being that created the universe.</blockquote>
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</p><p>If he is beyond human comprehension, how do you know that? Further, how do you know he exists? Also, how do you know he created the universe?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T21:00:24Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697286If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>lordofawesome Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I believe that a god exists, but mandkind can not comprehend what it is.</blockquote>
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</p><p>How would you define God?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T20:48:24Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697283If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>lordofawesome Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Because I grew up in a religious household.</blockquote>
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</p><p>Alright, then let me ask you the question I should have asked first. What do you believe?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T20:45:37Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697279If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>lordofawesome Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I believe in a god. I would like to pick up where Shii left off.</blockquote>
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</p><p>Cool. I’m going to try and be as civil as possible.
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</p><p>Why do you believe what you believe?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T20:42:30Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697274If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>man-man Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>tl;dr:Neither is about to open their minds to hear the other [side of the debate] out because each is SURE he is right. It’s p fun.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I resent that. I’m very open to reasoned arguments from anyone.
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</p><p>Sorry, to answer that I would have to have been paying attention…</blockquote>
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</p><p>Fair enough. Question’s open to anyone.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T19:51:28Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697239If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>man-man Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>If you just want someone to argue with, I could try taking the other side… but it’d be really goddamn hard for me to do convincingly, I’d be too distracted by how much I disagree with myself.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I don’t want to argue, I want to debate. I think there’s an important difference. But Shii suggested I ask you where I went wrong during our discussion… what do you suppose I could or should have done differently?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T19:45:35Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697226If God doesn't exist..<p>Shii, are you familiar with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference" target="_blank">transference</a>?
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</p><p>EDIT: I’m sorry, a more accurate term would be <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection" target="_blank">psychological projection</a>.
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</p><p>EDIT2: I do hope someone will pick up the torch where Shii dropped it. </p>Moniker2009-09-04T19:24:37Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697218If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>I’ve already said there’s no point, and I’d rather not let someone who doesn’t know how to debate civilly irritate me further.</blockquote>
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</p><p>It’s funny because that’s how I feel, except I’m not irritated. Just exasperated.
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</p><p>EDIT: You just nevermind that they mean the same thing.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T19:16:42Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697209If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Because that’s what the thread is for, Shii.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>There’s certainly nothing to gain if you “convert” a believer to your side. You won’t get any virgins, only the knowledge that you successfully destroyed someone’s upbringing and way of life.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I’ll get virgins, don’t worry. Just not in the afterlife.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Pro-Tip: A good way to start is not begin by calling your opponents silly and ridiculous.</blockquote>
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</p><p>I didn’t call anyone silly or ridiculous. I was referring to the things they said. You, however, have called me a number of names, and that sort of thing has no place in this part of Flamebate. I’m sorry to say this, but you need to grow up.
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</p><p>I’m going to quit posting on this thread now because a debate in which neither party is willing to accept or respect the opposing viewpoint is a waste of time and energy.</blockquote>
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</p><p>This thread was fine until you resorted to emotion and rhetoric. You’re not equipped to have this discussion. I’m sorry, Shii. I really am. I want to have this conversation in a respectful manner, but you just want me to shut up. Par for the course, I’m afraid.
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</p><p>I’m aware of the great commission, but if you recall, the Bible also states that you should not give pearls to swine, or give what is precious to dogs.
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</p><p>The meaning behind that statement is that trying to reach out to someone openly hostile to the Word of God will just result in the insult and disrespect of His Word, and it’s not worth it.</blockquote>
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</p><p>Okay, you win. You’ve convinced me.
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</p><p>EDIT: Now that Shii’s finished, would anyone else like to continue the <em>actual</em> conversation?</p>Moniker2009-09-04T18:59:08Ztag:www.forumwarz.com,2007-10-31:DiscussionPost/697178If God doesn't exist..<p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Quote me.
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</p><p>Shut up Moniker [...] There is no onus on believers to prove to you that they’re correct unless they’re trying to convert you.</blockquote>
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</p><p>You’re Christian, aren’t you? I Peter 3:15.
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</p><p>I want to see moniker and shii go at it live on msn <img src="http://uploads.forumwarz.com/cdn/39/1e76e676-1401-11de-bd52-001c23d677ba.png" height="16" alt="" width="16" /></blockquote>
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</p><p>I’d be happy to debate Shii, but I won’t tolerate petty name-calling.
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</p><p>Can you read? ...argue against your literacy. ...you’re not interested in religion…</blockquote>
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</p><p>If you can’t carry a debate, then check out and leave it to the adults.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>...keeps me humble…</blockquote>
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</p><p>Apparently not, Shii.
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>Shii Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>Is it because you are so devoid of any sort of hope or meaning for your own life that you can’t rest, can gain no respite until you see every other person around you dragged down into your own miserable depths?</blockquote>
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</p><p>You just ended our conversation. If you can’t come up with reasoned arguments then you’ve got no place in this thread.
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</p><p>That sounds like an argument for theology.</blockquote>
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</p><p>How so?
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</p><p><blockquote><strong>MC Banhammer Posted:</strong>
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</p><p>...you are trying to convince me that your theories are correct, but I am not trying to prove to you that mine are correct.</blockquote>
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</p><p>Of what am I trying to convince you? I’m just asking questions like, “Why do you believe that?”
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</p><p>You’re not answering.
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</p><p>EDIT: We didn’t have plumbing 5,000 years ago, but we did have latrines. Sounds like an argument for latrines.</p>Moniker2009-09-04T18:37:13Z