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Clbum Balance at the Level Cap: How much do we really care?Cabbage:
There are some really good points being raised by the lower level hackers. At equipment cap, the penalties of a hacker don’t matter as much…but before that, there’s little place to get processing power without sacrificing damage and defense significantly. Even at cap, they’re the most tedious non-challenge clbum to play because you pretty much need to use eight abilities to kill forums rather than 2-4 due to all of their abilities having high refresh. A lot of us hackers (self included), whined about it before hitting equipment cap since it really was still onerous at level 35. The advent of kyoubai has helped TONS on this since money can be gotten outside of challenging the higher tier forums, but it’s just saying “You can’t remotely compete without the top tier gear, while these guys can do so easily”.
Notably, before the nerfings, Hackers killed trolls. I had both at that time and was staring at my hacker completely obliterating my troll in lots of things. It wasn’t always that hackers were buried under tons of high refresh abilities. Trolls, during the same period got made more powerful, when they seemed to overall be reasonably okay then. And then had it happen again. Are they over the top now? Probably. But seeing how badly hackers got knocked down, I’d rather call for the other three not being knocked down so much.
Folks calling for nerfings:
Really, not productive. It’d be way better to push the bottom up than the top down. It’s not going to change hackers having tons of refresh that trolls now would have slower times. The blocks on success for different clbumes in different ways are a far bigger hinderence. If each clbum had more special things that they got (Higher Flezz delivery caps, More valuable jobs, special kyoubai stuff) then there’d be less arguing over pure ‘battle’ capabilities because we’d have unique things to compare. You hardly hear Emokids being called underpowered or not because they have something really special on them in the ability to do super attacks. It pulls the discussion a different way. The game could use more out of the box solutions rather than ‘tweaking the obvious stats parameters again’.
Folks reminding of old suggestions:
Yeah, I totally cheer on the separation of clbumes versus each other in speedruns (and hell, in most other leaderboards, we’ve got enough of each clbum now. It removes instantly the balance concerns if you’re only competing against folks in the same clbum who all have the same rules).... but as Quat and Scully point out, that’s only part of the issue. How speedruns are calculated is terrible. It always has been. It’s not based on number of moves, or any consistent measure. It’s based on time from forum start to forum complete, affected heavily by server load, image load time, effect load time, forum lifebar variance, and number of threads before you even get to clbum differences. The clock keeps going when the post thread victory screen shows (and possibly when the post forum one does) meaning anyone dumb enough to try and click that instead of hammering 1-4 is being slowed. This isn’t a race with remotely consistent parameters. Some people are running longer roads with tar on them and having their score compared against that guy on a T3 college connection adblocking every image in the game and just hammering 1 and 2 rapidly.
I don’t have a clever answer for this myself, but let’s be honest about just how much makes speedrunning a very imprecise comparison between things. The only potential difference clbum balance gets to control is ‘how many actions I take to kill each thread’ and only sometimes. This is a tiny part of the overall puzzle on why a lot of the speedrun times are impossible for people. You sitting on a cable internet on the other side of the world from Canada at busy server time? You’re never going to beat the fastest tier speedrun time. It won’t happen whether you’re a troll, a camwhoere, or anything else. It won’t matter your build. Your equipment. None of it.
Troll balancing and the Metagames:
Yeah, trolls are overpowered. Within their own context, there is no reason to spend on several skills and their offensive capabilities are amazingly high. I’d still rather the other clbumes come closer rather than knocking them down, because with my troll, I’m playing the metagame at end game. The domination, the flezz gathering, the job leader boards, etc. With my hacker, I’m not even trying since I actually have to pay way more attention to the actual game, making thinking about the metagame tiring rather than entertaining. The metagames are what keeps us playing post finishing episode 2 in the same way they did post episode 1. Things that hinder playing the metagames at level cap, encourage folks to depart from the game and wait for the next real content addition.
To me, that’s why I care that other clbumes are underpowered to some degree. Because things that make the metagames more troublesome to play in reduce the number of folks playing them and thus leave them somewhat less competitive than they might be. (view post) |
02/22/2009 | |
A list of moar files we don't know the stats for and the forums to grindPossibly a Cabbage Posted:
Oh certainly. But that function of where they’re found is decided when the forum is added to the game. It was a choice to add a drop percent opportunity in for Pink Floyd before these ones. Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/19/2009 | |
'cheap' pink floyd for sale. 12 hour no reserve specialWow, those are killing the other pink floyd sales in going value. Kudos to a well played go. (view post) |
02/19/2009 | |
A list of moar files we don't know the stats for and the forums to grindI see it…a long and unrewarding road still to go Log in to see images! 36 visits in.
i like turtles.pr0n Found:
* Piece #4 * Piece #5 * Piece #7 * Piece #8 x 2 * Piece #9 * Piece #14 * Piece #15 * Piece #16 * Piece #17 * Piece #21
10/21 (view post) |
02/12/2009 | |
Possible Vuln: Community Ad'sGood thinking…but would’ve been way better to use the private bug report message to suggest your scenario to CZ. (view post) |
02/08/2009 | |
Saturday Night Special: Pink Floyd up for 12 hours. Absolutely worth staying home...that’s wrong.
Anywhere over 3 million is absolutely killing a well optimized forum grind for deliveries. And you can stack the miniquest bonuses for up to an extra sixty thousand flezz each day.
Yeah, you can get more than 3 million for it easily, but ‘worth it’? That’s totally greedy. You’re making way more than you could any other way in the game right now by floyd grinding. Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/08/2009 | |
We need an option to delete stall messages.Man, the ‘it may take work to do’ is always a cruddy argument for why not to request something. Performance, sure. That it’s a bad idea, sure. How dare you suggest they add something you find convenient? uh? Why bother sticking that into negative arguments? If it’s too much work for the team, they won’t do it.
I actually agree with Fran, under the ‘Why not?’ So what if a player takes it too seriously and wants to delete their own stall. That isn’t hurting anyone and if a player is boring, other players will go play with someone else. How stalls are used vary between the players and all and there’s no reason it hurts either of those two objectives. Heck, you could probably get some funny stuff by having the ability to mess around with the posts on your own stall.
Change the request to: The ability to delete, reorder, or edit things that get put on your stall and it becomes closer to a forumwarz messyboard, where people toss discussion, garbage, and other kinds of silliness…and others can mess around with it to make it say entirely different things. Which would be cool and all that in the context of a small personal section. Heck, converting the stalls INTO messyboards would be supercool, complete with giving the owner a ‘wipe’ privilege and all that. Log in to see images!
But the end all is really it’s a feature request that hurts nobody and solely makes folks who do take their stall too seriously happy. Oh, and it makes those who take putting grafitti on other people’s stalls too seriously unhappy. Hey, there’s a win too. The feature is going to punish those who take trolling too seriously. Man, I hardly would’ve thought of that without the ‘don’t do this because it only is liked by people taking it too seriously’ arguments. (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
Spading deliveriesIt’s sad that pink floyd is the best by such a large margin (60 stat points easily blows the 35 that the next highest gives out of the water) and yet is far easier to get than most of the other top tier moar. (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
THE Pink Floyd and Ripro Store. Hall of Lost GoldTotally. But at least this may cut down a bit on the Pink Floyd/Ripro versus everything else. Not that they aren’t cool or whatnot, but they seem to be making up well over half of kyoubai’s threads and there’s lots of other neat items being advertised too. (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
THE Pink Floyd and Ripro Store. Hall of Lost GoldIn just a vague hope of ending the saturation of “Buy My Ripro” and “Buy My Pink Floyd” often combined with silly high reserves and now recently the “LOOK AT ME, NO RESERVE” group…
How about everyone put their Pink Floyd’s and ripro’s here? It can be a store, just for them. Folks can organize their bickering over the reserve price. Sellers can lock step on how much they want to charge. Because we know there’s only seventy others for sale at the exact same time. Log in to see images!
*ducks inevitable waaage*
Here, I’ll grab my alt’s auction for a ripro and put it here to get things started. Now someone else can top it with one of the clearly cheaper offerings on the market
Heck, here’s all pink floyd’s for the next 10 hours too.
And guess what, for those 5 million reserve folks? None of them are currently topping 5 million. But they probably all will and will happily beat out other flezz gathering techniques. Anyhow, they’re all clearly awesome files by people…and hopefully don’t need their own threads anymore~ (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
Oh holy **** man look at this Pink Floyd it's like 624625 times bettter than the other ones you should probably buy it because it won't be up for long this is like almost better than a flip-flop and you should pay at least 5 million because it's that damnBecause there is a day left on it and a dozen going for under five million still ahead of it.
Sheesh. Can’t folks have more entertaining bumps with their hugely long topics than whining on the current price? Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
Spading deliveriesBy the way, It appears to be that right now the most profitable (by far) activity on the site is farming pink floyds. bumuming at most 1 per week (not unlikely with folks doing it staying at 49/50) and selling for 4-5 million (with at least another 350k in deliveries, possibly augmented by another few hundred k by jobs), it handily beats the potential 3 million that I think delivery caps block us at per week (possibly as low as 2.5 million). Indeed, provided they are selling it for as little as 3 million, they’re going to beat anyone else not doing that given time.
I dunno if this is an argument for higher delivery caps, since I suspect if folks had more money easier, they would total buy pink floyds at a higher price point than they do now. I am really curious where the ceiling for delivery though really is. (view post) |
02/07/2009 | |
A list of moar files we don't know the stats for and the forums to grind58 visits in.
i like turtles.pr0n Found:
* Piece #1 x 2 * Piece #2 * Piece #4 * Piece #5 * Piece #6 * Piece #7 * Piece #8 x 3 * Piece #9 x 3 * Piece #10 x 2 * Piece #11 x 2 * Piece #12 * Piece #14 x 3 * Piece #15 * Piece #16 * Piece #17 * Piece #18 * Piece #21
17/21 —-
Another eight. No change. Log in to see images!
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Well got some in this tweleve. Only a few hundred to go. I think a 50ish luck is probably safer than the 70ish I run at.
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40 visits and I think that gets me about 15 percent of the way there?
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52 visits. Whee…
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58 and 17. Closer. Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/06/2009 | |
A list of moar files we don't know the stats for and the forums to grindOkay…I’ve been crazy enough to get several rectum.
I’ll go after turtles.
Here is to high luck. (view post) |
02/06/2009 | |
Spading deliveriesCheers!
Last time I asked about this I got no answer. I’m not sure with the delivery limit where the good points are for luck and cha. Does it make any difference whatsoever on the top cred forums. (view post) |
02/06/2009 | |
Program to help you understand how big your bum really is. Do you really want to rely on unscientific cheerleaders?Man, nobody wants this? Sadness. The auction is almost over and it’s cheaper than most. (view post) |
02/06/2009 | |
Program to help you understand how big your bum really is. Do you really want to rely on unscientific cheerleaders?At the end of the day… Do you really want to be known as a cowbum Log in to see images! and denied access to the goosefat only room?
Measure it accurately. (view post) |
02/04/2009 | |
Ripprogram for saleah, fair enough. My advice, granted for pot-shotting your auction, don’t put a buy it now on anything. Avoid unreasonable reserves as well, but you can never put the buy it now price at anywhere near high enough to make it a reasonable quick profit. (view post) |
02/04/2009 | |
Program to help you understand how big your bum really is. Do you really want to rely on unscientific cheerleaders?Zaeger makes a good bid, sure… he understands how important it is that this information is privately and securely retrieved.
FACT: Most people have fatter rears than they realize.
FACT: Most doctors will mismeasure your rear to protect your pride…and sell you acai berries for your belly fat.
FACT: By cutting my own throat, I’ve decided the winner will also receive some hip music: http://www.forumwarz.com/auctions/show/43880 . Possibly ripp’ingly good.
Notice: There is no guarentee that this storefront will deliver the rippromatic to the same person that gets the high quality scanning software. Supplies are limited and the free offer is for a limited time not to exceed 24 hours. (view post) |
02/04/2009 | |
Ripprogram for saleThanks. Now that was a cheap ripro. Log in to see images! (view post) |
02/03/2009 |